Jordan Candlish On Morning Routines, Spiritual Resilience And The Benefits Of Meditative Practice

Jordan Candlish On Morning Routines, Spiritual Resilience And The Benefits Of Meditative Practice

Jordan Candlish is a mindfulness ambassador, life success & fulfillment coach and honestly just a really interesting guy to have a conversation with. I met Jordan at Mindset Braingym, one of Canada’s premier meditation studios where he works to teach corporations, individuals and groups the science and the practice of meditation. As the scientific benefits of meditation continue to rise to the surface more and more, the need for, and benefit of this sort of practice is sliding further into the realm of the mainstream. Although originally from Perth, Australia, Jordan has made a name for himself among the mindfulness and mediation communities of Toronto Ontario through the wide range of events, speeches, and gatherings he is a part of organizing. Originally working as a corporate accountant for global management consultancy Deloitte, Jordan has since parted ways with the rigidity of the corporate ecosystem in search of something a little more fulfilling. Of course, this is a personal choice, and each and every one of us defines it differently. In his coaching business, Jordan helps young professionals find purpose and meaning in order to bring fulfillment into their own lives. Whether this means changing careers or starting a new initiative at work, he helps them find out what that truly means to them. In this episode, Jordan and I discuss the importance of a great morning routine along with the benefits we both have experienced in doing so. We also explain some of the science behind why meditation is good for the human mind. Dive in and learn how spiritual resiliency can help you create the life of your dreams.

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Read the transcript of my podcast with Jordan below:

Sean Grabowski:

Hello everyone. Thanks for tuning into this new episode of the mindful steward podcast. So I just finished recording a new episode with my friend Jordan Candlish. I recently met him at mindset brain gym, which is a new meditation studio here in Toronto. They’re doing some really cool things, probably one of the leading basically industry leaders in Canada as far as meditation goes. I would definitely recommend checking them out if you are in the GTA. But he is a coach. He has a podcast of a zone and quite a great Instagram profile where he shares a lot of different insights. You can follow him there or on LinkedIn. I think he’s probably on every platform. But despite the fact that he is Australian, he has become quite a large mindfulness ambassador here in the GTA and Toronto. So he runs a lot of retreats. He’s very involved with planning corporate meditation gigs for the meditation studio and just overall he’s quite well read and you know, has a lot of good insight into how to live a healthy lifestyle in terms of both mind and body. So I’ve been wanting to record an episode with him quite a lot for quite a long time. I think him and I are on very similar wavelengths in terms of the kinds of content we like to put out there and the things that we like to learn about and dive into as topics. And I’m honestly really happy about how the episode turned out. I think it’s a pretty great privilege to be able to have these conversations with other men as kind of the masculine realm becomes more and more open to discussing these topics. So before I talk for too long here, I’m just going to remind everyone I have some really awesome guided meditations I’m about to send out to my newsletter or sorry, to my list of everyone who is subscribing. So I recorded those professionally with Michelle Pound. She’s a meditation coach who I’ve had a previous episode with as well. If you are someone who likes meditation or guided meditations, those are going to be top notch. So feel free to subscribe to get your hands on those as soon as I send them out. All right. Without further ado, I will get this episode started. Thank you for tuning in.

Sean Grabowski:

For me that is one that comes and goes in waves. Like sometimes I’m so productive and I can just bang out so many things for a few months. And then it’s also priorities. Like sometimes my priorities change and they come and go. This isn’t really my job. So that is a huge factor. You sometimes things in my professional life or.

Jordan Candlish:

it’s going to take a pretty sense isn’t it?

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. Or my, my personal life kind of they beat out creative projects essentially, which like obviously makes perfect sense. Totally man. Yeah.

Jordan Candlish:

It’s cool to have this little song and this side hustle. It’s a passion project man. Oh yeah. Cool.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah man, this is like honestly, as much as it’s just been a fun project for me up until recently where I’m, I guess now I’m kind of getting freelance leads through it, like, like bleeds benefits or the benefits of this side project are very apparent to my life. He stays. So it’s becoming more of that kind of a, I think that’s contributing to my life. But yeah, like just practicing conversations I feel like has helped me so much. When I first got to that job that I’m at right now, I wasn’t doing the podcast thing and I would end up in conversations with, you know, I don’t have like a super intense job, but I’m a marketing manager for, I’ve got an agency managing clients and their accounts. So I would go in there and I’d be dealing with like 50 year old marketing executives in insurance companies like big dogs who are making big money and they walk in, they’re wearing like a sick suit and I’m wearing a plaid button up. But, and I didn’t know like how to converse with them super well and this is like helped me so much.

Jordan Candlish:

Likewise. Yeah, likewise. Just questions, how to ask good questions. Yeah, exact same man. So podcasting is definitely, it’s, I would say anyone, everyone should do it. Theres no reason not to, get on the podcasting game. It gives you an interviewing skills is like every single time you meet someone your thank you, you can interview them, get knowledge from this is one question along, lock the answers you need. Like.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. So having good conversations that really connect you with people. It’s like a skill. It’s a huge skill and it will help you in every area of your life.

Jordan Candlish:

That’s it. Yeah. So right now we’re going to get a tremendous amount of value out of this because I can understand you learn from you. You get to learn from me and my journey. It’s like it makes sense man. Doors open up when you just saw having these conversations with people.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. Big time man. Yeah. Respective. Cool. Well I’m might go a little closer to the mic if you want. [inaudible] How’s that? Is that good? Oh yeah, that’s perfect. Sick. All right, so I guess I’ll introduce you now. I’m going to probably keep that whole part in there. I like to just keep it flowing. But yeah, I mean I met you just a couple months ago. I can’t remember what class I was getting out of, but I think it was a whim, Hoff breathwork class at mindset brain gym, which if anybody who listens, who’s listening to this hasn’t really checked it out. That place is awesome. I really enjoyed it. Lot of cool classes, but I came out of there and I wasn’t really talking to you, but I heard you kind of in a discussion with another guy and you brought up microdosing and I was like, that’s when I kind of interjected. I was like, great, I can get in on the conversation. Yeah. I’m like, that is such a fascinating topic to me. And I’m obviously like I do microdose and it has made me so much sharper in a lot of different, you know, scenarios. So I love that conversation. I think that’s the next wave of, you know, how marijuana just became legal in Canada and that is the next wave. But yeah, and then, I mean, I haven’t really had a chance to actually connect with you until just recently, but I think we have a lot of different topics. Like that we are very, you know, contemplate of guys and a lot of things in common in that area. So there’s a lot of things that, we could probably, I bet we could record, we could have recorded a podcast like just outside when we’re kind of chatting and catching up and we could probably do like hours of this. But yeah, I think there’s a few things that you have a lot to talk about and they kind of define what you’re doing for work right now and you know, what you’re doing here in Canada as an Australian and, Yeah. So I guess I’ll let you kind of introduce yourself and however you want to describe what you’re up to now, but definitely your story. If you want to talk about that and kind of fill us all in, I’m kind of how you ended up where you are today.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah, for sure. Man, thanks so much for having me on your podcast. It’s an absolute privilege and an honor. So, yeah, again, very grateful. This is awesome to be in your space and sharing a great conversation. So thank you. But yeah, my story basically began probably about three years ago. I’d just come back from my last semester, which I studied abroad here in Canada, which is sort of how I’ve wound up back here. I finished my business degree here in Canada and I met my girlfriend at the time. So I studied accounting and finance at school and after I completed my last semester abroad here, I had my graduate job already set up. So I basically already knew I had a job and I came home and you know, basically went straight into full time work coming off the back of this amazing experience traveling through North America and just meeting amazing people. Then went into my first year, I was a tech graduate tax accountant at Deloitte, one of the largest financial service firms in the world. And it was not long into that kind of period of starting full time work where I started to question things, I just felt very disconnected from the work that I was doing and what my passions were outside of work. And for me it was just this nagging feeling of like emptiness and just feeling like I had more to give. At the end of my day, I would come home just really drained and empty and I was like, this can’t be it man. Like I have some, there’s more in me that needs to come out. Like this isn’t, there’s something not right here. And I remember speaking, looking around at the people around me and thinking, is anyone else feeling like this as well? Like chatting to the grads in my group and people were feeling the same that I was the one that just, I couldn’t accept it. And that was one day I remember that like something just like instead of complaining about it instead of just like settling this like mediocre life, I was like, I got to figure out how to find happiness and fulfillment because I could not like picture my life staying like that. You know, I looked at the partners and the people above me and I didn’t look at it. They didn’t look that happy. It was pretty stressed out. They were working crazy hours. So I, that’s where I began. I started listening to podcasts. Now I started the Tim Ferriss podcast and literally just went back to fucking number one and went all the way through his podcasts leads and more. And as you know, Tim Ferriss brings on lots of different guests, high performance from why different range of fields. And I began just like dissecting and applying all the different things that these people were saying because they were successful. They seem to be fulfilled. And I admire the impact that we’re having. So while I was working and doing these mundane jobs, I was one headphone in fucking podcasts, three podcasts a day, and just applying this stuff again, waking up early, began to meditating, began doing yoga, began journaling, started a website and a blog where I started sharing everything I was going through. And as, as things progressed, my energy started to change. As these new habits came into my life, I started to become a different person, right? And it was really when I discovered Eckhart Tolle and a lot of these Wayne Dyer and a lot of these spiritual leaders were, and I realized that nothing external from me had to change for me to be able to cultivate happiness, fulfillment and joy in the present moment. And you know, I connected with the present moment. I started to generate these elevated emotional States, you know, through spending time in nature, becoming grateful for things. I did have trading expectation for appreciation. I was in a totally different energy state man and I would show up to work, just happy, just, just happy to be there, happy to be alive. And people started picking up on that and my life really just like completely shifted. And because I was living by this stuff, like I was just listening to Eckhart Tolle on the way to work and just felt so peaceful and just like I had a very joyful place because I was connected with my heart. And then he almost was almost there for two years and I knew the time was right because I already knew I was just like content. And happy and I knew I wanted to take that leap of faith and get out of my comfort zone and follow this passion that I had for just sharing this with the world, man, sharing, helping people connect with that place, that authentic place within them where they are, then you can create a life based upon that and so many people were disconnected from that. And that’s my mission is to help people rediscover that true authentic place in your heart that is waiting to be found. And then you create your dream life from that. It’s not created from the head thinking you need to fucking earn money to keep other people happy or to acquire something. And then it’s brought me back out to Canada and that’s sort of where I’ve worked here for almost two years at a healing clinic for the first 12 months where I was learning about different healing modalities. Frequency, technology and cool. How people can self heal. And that was for the first 12 months. And then the, then obviously I went across the mindset brain gym where I helped them out with a corporate stuff and I teach meditation there and it’s just been a wild journey man. Now I coach and help people on the side as well who are looking to find that lack of, I just said find that calling, find that spark and unlock the greatness within them. So that’s sort of the, the long, long slash short story today to get me here.

Sean Grabowski:

Perfect. Oh man, you worded that so well. Yeah. That’s funny that you got into Tim Ferriss and Eckhart Tolle. Yeah. Were those the first two Creators that you got into?

Jordan Candlish:

Oh man there were so many like Tim was definitely the first podcast that I sunk my teeth into. And then through like Lewis Howes, who also brings on a lot of guests I love, I loved just hearing about the way other successful people live their life and applying the things that they said they did. And over time I really just like Gathered all these different practices and tools and I just noticed the correlations, like they all meditated, they all got up early, they all had like a solid morning routine. They all ate healthy food. Like I started biohacking, so I was reading Dave Asprey and the Bulletproof diet and you know, the Bulletproof podcast I, that was another one I went all in on and really by a half my body so that I was like optimizing my energy. So like optimizing my sleep up the ways it minds in the way I exercised the fruit. Like I started eating ketones, so high fat foods where I was like, my mind started thriving because I was doing intermittent fasting and having Bulletproof coffee in the mornings. I was just like, shit, lighting up with energy and I just had so much to give because of that. And yeah, it all just combined and yeah.

Sean Grabowski:

That’s awesome man. Well I was going to say like, it’s so true that it all starts in nutrition. You know, I do have a lot of friends who, it’s kind of interesting when you start creating this content, people do come to you with questions a lot more. Yeah. That’s a phenomenon that’s been happening to me quite a bit more ever since I created this podcast. So maybe about a year now. Yeah, but that’s always the first step. It’s just so obvious like your mindset. We’re all just, you know, our bodies are totally fueled by what we’re putting in it. But yeah. To go back to like the Tim Ferriss stuff that you were talking about or just kind of the content creators, you were crushing basically. It’s so interesting with those kinds of people because I got really into that too. For me it was Eckert Tolle. The power of now, I read that book really randomly. I just kind of came across it. It was a highly rated book. I read it and that really opened my mind. And that was right at the point when I had just finished university and I was in the middle of a bank job. Kind of similar to your story.

Jordan Candlish:

Did someone gift it to you or did you just feel, feel an inclination to pick it up?

Sean Grabowski:

Totally an inclination. I think we’ll realistic, you know…

Jordan Candlish:

In a book store like would you just like pick it up?

Sean Grabowski:

No, no actually my aunt bought me a Cobo and she gave me a gift card with it to buy a couple books too. And I was just cruising the bookstore and I’m sure it had something to do with the fact that I hated my job, you know? So I would wake up every day and be, been stoked about what I was about to do.

Sean Grabowski:

So one day, one evening, I’m just cruising through books and this book about finding more purpose and understanding and you know, just connecting to that, those kinds of meanings and your life pops up and obviously they caught my attention for a reason. That was kind of my intro to all of this content. But those people on Tim Ferris, like they are crushing it. You know, they are like CEOs and big dogs, but they are totally fulfilled. You know, there’s, it’s like something different about them from the typical definition of success. Yeah. Like success. We were having this discussion outside. But yeah, I mean there’s so many different angles you can kind of look at it from. But I had a pretty similar journey to you. I’ve talked about on so many other episodes that I’m not gonna like dive into the whole thing. I’ll just fill you in after. But like for me it’s a little bit different where I think I, basically I grew up doing quite well as a snowboarder in high school. I grew up right beside a ski Hill was totally engulfed in that world of like competing. And in that world you meet a lot of people who are already kind of alternative thinkers. There are people who don’t really listen to the status quo of what society kind of tells you what to do. And then I went to university and then I got a bank job. So I kind of did it the other way around where I was living in this world where it’s just people following their passion, following their purpose every day. Every ounce of energy in their mind goes towards that, you know? And I was totally like that. I couldn’t even describe how obsessed I was and then I want to do a bank job and I kind of realized very quick like, this is not going to work for me. You know, I’ve already experienced this like really cool form of connection where I’m, my life revolves around something that I absolutely love and I kind of realized like, I need that I need to create a life where that’s what it’s all about, even though it’s not going to be snowboarding anymore. I did tear my ACL and it kind of, the whole snowboarding thing changed. Yeah. But yeah. Mmm. Yeah. That was really my, for me it was that approach and this is, I feel like this is something that I’ve described for a while just based on your reaction. I told you outside, this is like something I want to share on the podcast, but yeah. So after that time I took a few years for myself to really just have fun and travel and kind of experiment with writing and just doing my own thing. And then I had a quite a slow start to my career. I think I’ve made up for lost time quite well, but Mmm. You know, a lot of people see me as though I kind of spent most of my twenties just having fun. Yeah. And especially my parents and my parents are super loving, but as any parent would, you know, they want the best for you, so they would, they’re always going to wish that you might even more or whatnot. But oftentimes, you know, like I’m a 28 year old guy, so a lot of my friends who went right into their career right after university stuck with it. They’re doing quite well. They have homes, they have some of them have a lot of things going on. And I catch my parents kind of comparing me to them once in awhile. I think they’ve stopped really since they see what I’m doing nowadays. But yeah, and my response has always been that, you know, sure I like took a few years for myself, but the way I look at it, I’ve just dodged a midlife crisis because I’ve guaranteed that I’m going in the right path right from the start and I’ve guaranteed that I have the right way of looking at all of these, these aspects of my life so that I’m always going to be content with them. You know? And I think that’s just a huge thing for me is like you mentioned nonconformity earlier when we were chatting and I think that’s a huge thing is yeah, especially in Toronto where, where we live right now. Like there’s a lot of just the flow of how people live their life. It’s like you finish school, you got a job, you do this, you do that.

Jordan Candlish:

I’ve noticed that firsthand coming out here as someone who’s not from Canada, you know, come out to Toronto and, clearly the path here, everyone, you know, you could, you could rewind everything back to values. Like, what do you value in life and that really dictates the type of life you have and that really determines your metrics of success out here. Everyone values education. So everyone goes to school and I and I now it’s like, it’s just normal. I was like, Oh I’ve got a degree in this and this and this and then everyone’s just working at bars. I’m not actually doing anything with it. So it’s like, okay, so like why, like why are you going to school to get an education? Like are you just doing it because that’s what you’ve been told. That’s what it seems like parents. Just that the parents value education so the kids think they have to go to school cause it’s just better even question it. And like to me like to me that doesn’t make any sense to me because like why would you go to school and spend all this money on something that you don’t even use? Like, shouldn’t you, like, shouldn’t you value figuring out what makes you unique so that when you do go out and start doing like going to school or start learning a skill, do you know why you’re doing it? Most people don’t even know why they’re doing stuff, man. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? Like go to work. Yeah. They don’t even know like what makes them happy. They think it’s money that makes it happy. It’s not money. Yeah. Oh yes. The feeling that you get when you buy something or it’s the feeling that you get when you are on a holiday, but like you don’t actually need the holiday or the fucking car or something to feel those feelings. You actually have access to them all the time. I close my eyes and do my meditation practice and I cultivate those feelings. So I cultivate the feelings of gratitude, love, joy, appreciation, and these are things that we’re all chasing, but we actually have access to them already. So the way I see life is like the minute you flip the game of life on its head and you live from the inside out. Instead of going from the outside in and thinking, I need to off in this and forget This, acquire that, become this, you can put, you realize that your happiness is within you and realizing that you can literally go anywhere and do anything because you’re tapped in, you’re tapped into your happiness, tapped into fulfillment. It was such a powerful realization for me, man. And then that was like, I ended my speech, I just did a speech a couple of weeks ago. I ended the speech with a quote and it said, “there’s no way to go and there’s nothing to do. Realizing this, we can go anywhere and do anything”. And to me that was the essence of what I realized what I was at my corporate job. I was like, right, I’ve got access to the happiness and fulfillment, joy, love. It’s in me. There’s nowhere to go. Like it’s all right here right now. This is it. There’s nothing to do. There’s nowhere to go. You’ve got it all within you. You are enlightened, enlightenment is now. There’s nothing to be achieved, nothing to do, nothing to get you realize that you go, wow, now I can fucking do anything.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh man.

Jordan Candlish:

You know what I mean?

Sean Grabowski:

I love that. Yeah, that makes me think of something. I was a, I have a lot of friends who live in Vancouver probably because of growing up in the snowboard kind of world. A lot of people end up out there in the mountains. Yeah. But I was out there visiting them and no being out there just for me in all honesty, I was going to move to Vancouver before I moved to Toronto and I don’t regret this, but I had a lot of friends at the time in Vancouver because my goal, was really to get my career established and I like to enjoy my life and you know, do things that are more connected to who I actually feel that I am. Then moving to a city just for the purpose of a career. But I did that and I don’t really regret it now, but I had a lot of friends when I was going to move to Vancouver who were kind of telling me, Hey, you know, it’s really hard to get started here. I’m moving back to Ontario to get started in Toronto. Yeah. and I, and that was something that scared me from going there and I moved here. And I think I really forgot that that was where I wanted to be. And I went out there and everyone had that mentality, that mentality that you’re kind of just describing. All my friends out there, you know, they are living their lives. They’re like so passionate about every minute they get home from work, they’re all stoked to go mountain biking with their dog. And then they’re all stoked because they’re going surfing the next weekend and camping. And that’s what their life revolves around. And I felt so much more at home there than I do here. In all honesty, I still want to be out there. I’m kind of scheming my escape. I don’t, I don’t know. Like, I do love Toronto and I’m, I’m not going to leave on a whim. I’m going to absorb it all. But they, they kind of had that mentality as well. And I remember my one buddy who I was staying with just saying, why is that? What, where is everyone rushing to? Oh, he literally said that and I just kind of there and pondered. I was like, where am I rushing to man?

Jordan Candlish:

It’s the lesson, dude. I haven’t moved out so I’m going to first go here. These are the lessons that I’m like really trying to figure out and learn and while I’ve been hearing in Toronto is this like mentality of like this everything so fast paced, everything needs to get done quickly. Everyone’s like, get to the next thing, do the next thing. You get swept up in it and you missed. Yeah. We, you miss the essence of like life, which is just to appreciate this moment. There isn’t like, there’s no future moment that’s going to give you any more fulfillment than what you already have. You know what I mean? Yet, but we rushing around. And when you do that, which I’m noticing myself is you miss, you miss these beautiful things and the simplest stuff like a tree are you seeing in the park and just like slowing down. I was, I found it really difficult to just sit down and have a read because it’s like I can’t remember the last fucking time and read a book. Like I think I don’t have the time to read a book, but like in reality like if you don’t have time to sit down and read for 10 minutes, like you don’t have a life.

Sean Grabowski:

Seriously. Yeah dude, you saw that bookshelf or it’s like right beside you. I’ve read all those books probably in the last four years. I’ve been in Toronto for 14 months. I’ve read half a book since I moved here. I crush audio books cause I’m zipping around.

Jordan Candlish:

Same dude.

Sean Grabowski:

But if it’s not the same like you don’t detach and really slow down and absorb it and take it in.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah, yeah. Damn relo. Yeah, it’s, it’s whack. It’s whack. Paint the city feeling that. Cause I, I just went through books like crazy back in Australia cause everything’s slowed down. There’s more nature I was more connected to. Yeah. It’s just that inner stillness that I didn’t feel like I was rushing. That was my rush. Everyone’s kind of, it’s a collective energy as well, you know, when you’re in a big city ever on.

Sean Grabowski:

Yes. Swept up in that. So.

Jordan Candlish:

Absolutely. And it’s good at times, you know.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. But you know what, I’m just kind of thinking about this right now, but I think if you can cultivate that mindset and that kind of presence through mindfulness and the work that you’re doing here, which I have similar routines to that too. You know, I wake up and meditate every day. Mmm. Those things have been massive for me. Like I will ask you about your routine and stuff. I want to save that for a bit later. But yeah, like if you can do that here, you can do that anywhere. I think [inaudible] which is almost like a good lesson, it’s like this is like your mastery being a craft. You’re here where it’s actually hard.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah bro it’s a lot like a spiritual warrior in there, like hate of the storm in the eye of the storm. Can you maintain that connectedness? Can you still say grounded incented? And this is the eye of the storm. Like there’s distractions everywhere. Like you having your attention being pulled around everywhere. The ones who can master the OD, like staying true to themselves and in a city that’s full of distractions, you’re trying to be pulled in different directions. That’s a spiritual warrior in my opinion. It’s a Daily daily practice. It’s daily practice. And then I, I believe it takes advanced advanced spiritual practices, whereas back home I was just like, fuck yoga on the beach, connected home suite, back up in alignment here. It’s like, you know, I’m like doing fucking breath work. I’m doing all kinds of different stuff to just find ways of just like switching off of mind. Yeah.

Sean Grabowski:

And I mean, that’s a thing. It’s not only that you have more escapes there, it’s like you only have so much brain power in a given day. Mm. I think you can cultivate more. There were a lot of different ways through like elevating your energy through diet and biohacking. That’s obviously completely real, but okay. Like you don’t want to, how do I word this? Don’t want to… I mean it’s just hard to kind of step your sub step aside and like pull yourself together to kind of counteract eight hours of intensity with a little hour of relaxation. Yeah, right, right. It’s quite an art form and it’s in itself.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah. If you, if everyone’s driven to like it’s create, everyone’s creating things here, which is dope, which is why I love the vibe of Toronto. I love the vibe of big cities. It’s like things are happening quickly. They’ve been created quickly. Businesses, ideas. Like if you have an idea, like you can find the right people to bring the ideas like pretty damn quick. So if you can start to refine that creation process where you fine tuned your energy so that you can bring an idea of up there into your physical reality super fast. Like to me that’s, yeah, that’s pretty damn cool. That’s where lights, where businesses are growing and expanding really quickly when they’re around people who have tuned their energy to the point where it’s like they’re, they’re productive, they’re effective at what they do. It gets, it gets toxic or dysfunctional when it’s like people are making a lot of money in a job they don’t enjoy. So all that money gets dumped into alcohol and you know, entertainment, drugs, you know, like just media, like, escapes. Which is also what this city’s built off. Oh, I see. I go into bars, man. This just, the news is on all the time in Australia. It’s not like that bro. We go into bars and it’s, there’s no TVs. It’s like you sit down and have beer and you have a chat. Here’s how I come to a bond. Like fucking distracted by all this. Like the music so loud, the so many TVs with the news on or like sports, all distractions. Yeah. Would keep you just brainwashed and sucked into the like the programming. So it’s like, yeah, it’s, it’s a fine balance. You can see two sides to it. Like, I love the idea of like things being created quickly and being around like minded people. But at the same time there’s a lot of people who are just unhappy and then they’re just swept up in this like collective unconsciousness that’s just being fed by media, distractions, sports, everything.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh definitely. I agree. I really love Toronto in particular. It’s the biggest city I’ve ever lived in, so I don’t really have anything to compare it to. But yeah, because people think big here. You know, I’m from a fairly small city and people don’t think big and I have a fe friends who definitely are doing some pretty cool things. I spend a lot of time with them because, I’ve just become good friends with them cause I think we’re on the same wavelength. But yeah, it’s also just that you want to keep people around you who influence you in positive ways. So those people are really good influences on my life. But coming here I felt so free. You can always like just chatting with you. Like, we’re just connecting, you’re talking about some cool projects that you’re kind of visualizing. And I have friends who are starting apps and friends who are, you know, I met a guy who, who owns this giant app as well the other day. Like this stuff isn’t everyday occurrence in this city, which is so cool. It’s awesome. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, I get that as well. And so we have the same for me from Perth Western Australia like a small city. It’s like you don’t, you know, you don’t cross paths with like people who are like, have these grandiose ideas. I guess it’s dope. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. It’s quite cool. But I mean, at the same time it’s so easy to get sucked in. Mmm. One thing that I was talking about on, I recorded a little episode just a couple of nights ago and posted it. The second solo episode I’ve ever posted just kind of felt like it. Yeah. But yeah, just about overstimulation. It’s a topic I really love. Discussing, and you know, I’m super into psychology so it’s not just the kind of practices of how you can step out of that yourself. But the psychology of what’s actually going on inside your brain physically and being overstimulated. Instead of having all this activity in your brain. I went and looked it up cause I kind of always fumbling over the direct science of it on the episode. But yeah, you know, a healthy brain has like, you obviously know this stuff super well. Like have you heard of hypofrontality? Yeah, I’ve heard that. Yeah. It’s like that’s what living in these places where you never take time to slow down and you’re very distracted by like the next kind of flashy thing. People think, Oh it’s just a lifestyle. It’s like no, that’s literally shaping your brain to be different. And I shouldn’t say these people like I’ve been there and I’m sure living here, I’m just constantly there’s a battle going on at some of my cortex, but it pull’s like all year energy to the front of your brain, which like makes you way less able to just be a rational decision maker too. Right? Like that stuff. I mean you obviously are talking about this and you’re in your work with the corporate stuff. That’s a huge reason that I think that meditation and mindfulness is going to be an enormous part of workplaces. I just, it’s already happening in New York and LA. It’s going to happen here. You’re obviously part of the movement, but I see that being like a very big thing.

Jordan Candlish:

Oh yeah. Big companies are picking up on it, man. [inaudible] There’s enough research out there now to show it like what it does to the brain. Like we, we know that the brain physically changes like neuroplasticity. The brain is physically changing when you meditate. So like to me that’s, that’s, that’s insane. Like neuroplasticity is that the whole idea that your brain is malleable, like you literally. Like you said, turn on different parts of the brain and start to like shake different areas, grow different areas like you know, meditation shows that like your, the, the cortical thickness of your hippocampus gets bigger. Like, like you said, for decision making. Like that’s okay. It baffles me to think that people are still, I’m not aware of how powerful meditation is and if you’re trying to be a high performer, if you’re trying to live better, if you’re trying to be happier, like wow, it’s something you gotta be doing it like straight up. Like in whatever form of meditation, you have some form of mindfulness where you are starting to engage that part of the brain and grow that. It’s just like, yeah, to me it’s a yes, it’s a, no pun intended, no brainer. You gotta you gotta be doing it.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. Seriously. What kind of, when you’re going into organizations and talking about these things, what are the main, like what is the science that you’re discussing with them? Yeah. So like we definitely hit on the science because they, you know, cause like these, these people want to hear, want to hear that. You’ve got to quantify everything.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah, you do. I mean a lot of it’s down to like the whole idea of like that neurons that fire together wire together, right? So as you start to meditate more, you’re going to start to fire these new pathways in the brain. Like synapses are going to be firing in new areas that you haven’t done before. So the first time you do it, it’s like, it’s going to be hard. It’s going to be really difficult to sit down and close your eyes and focus your attention on your breath or on your body or something. And as you start to do that more, you’re creating this pathway in the brain where it’s going to get easier because these synapses are firing together. And as they get stronger, you become better at meditating because that part of your brain is getting stronger. You’re like, you’re literally doing a mental bicep kill every time you bring your attention back to the moment. You know what I mean? So yeah, just grounding this stuff in a way that’s easy to understand. For the everyday person. I say everyday person meaning like a corporate nine to fiver, you know, may cause mainly men are the ones who struggle the most with like wrapping their heads around. The whole idea of meditating. If you can ground this stuff in like practicality. Instead of using loaded words, which you know, I, I still do cause I you know, I’m in the personal development space, but at the same time now it’s using the right words and the corporate space so that we can speak to these people because it’s so important that they, they start to adopt these things as well because if they start making better decisions, they start becoming more conscious, then we’re going to have more conscious businesses. We’re going to have more conscious people in higher positions making decisions are gonna impact. You know,` the economy. Right. So like I want this to be like across the board. So yeah, the science is important. And then, you know, we talk a lot about like what meditation is not the only thing you need to adopt. Right? Like I said before, it’s like diet, it’s exercise, it’s sleeping, right? It’s, it’s, you know, all these things go hand in hand. Having routines, practices, habits, and make sure that you’re at your top of your game. Like if you’re meditating but you’re not eating right, you’re not sleeping well. Like, I’m sorry, meditation isn’t going to help you. You know what I mean? Oh, it’s everything. Everything is asked to work hand in hand.

Sean Grabowski:

It’s part of a holistic approach, really.

Jordan Candlish:

Big time, big time. So that’s my, that’s really where I’m, I push it because I, that’s where I come from. I come from the corporate world and that’s my, my whole time at my job completely changed when I adopt adopted these practices and habits. Routines. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, it’s the key.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh, man. I mean, for myself personally, I do know who Emily Fletcher is. Yeah. Okay. She’s super rad. Yeah. Yeah, I listened to her on a podcast. It was on the Aubrey Marcus podcast. And then I’ve watched it cause you know, when people release a book, they do multiple podcasts in the, in the space. Yeah. So I listened to her all her episodes and it’s pretty much for repeating the same kind of thing. She obviously has like a specific message she’s trying to get across or, yeah. She I think is one of the best people I’ve come across because, you know, I’ve heard about meditation a lot and I have been meditating for a couple of years, but I think it was when I listened to her podcast when I kind of realized, Whoa, this is what happens to your brain when you do it every day, literally like makes your brain better, stronger, just like if you’re doing bicep curls for your arm. Same, just like the metaphor you used. And I started meditating every single day. Like religiously from that point. It might even have been before the Aubrey Marcus one came out, but that was about like seven months ago, six or seven months ago. And man there are a few different things that have been going on. Like I have been doing landmark, which is incredible as well. Yeah. Those courses have changed my life, but yeah I swear meditation has been in the top three things I’ve ever done for myself. We’ll start meditating every day and you know, like it’s changed the way that I’m able to approach stressful moments. I feel like everyday stress, like if I’m in my car and somebody seriously cuts me off, you know, that used to really rattle me. Now still, that happens and I might feel a little bit of annoyance, but I don’t feel like the real stress of it. Like I don’t know if this is just me becoming more content of a person, but I swear I haven’t had a big stress attack in six months. That’s amazing, man. Like, I don’t know about you, but that, that is something that I, I feel like I used to let stress get to me quite a lot. And that’s maybe what brought me to mindfulness in the first place. But yeah, that landmark not watching porn. That’s a big one for guys. That has been huge too. Those are huge things for me.

Jordan Candlish:

I cut that out awhile ago as well. Okay. Yeah. It was something that just just didn’t align with, yeah. Well I def, I feel like it’s a lot of, it’s in the mind a little bit. You know, you’re creating stories and again, I found this to be a distraction. Yeah. Well I removed a lots of distractions, like bad habits that I had. Through being exposed to a lot of television and video games, phone, social media. I just like just did decluttering, just I went through and cleaned up back when I was back home. Yeah, just stop. I stopped exposing my mind to a lot of the programming that was coming in. Like I switch off the radio and listen to the radio in the car anymore It was like, well, I’m just isn’t a podcast or silence. Yeah, I miss my car. I like actually being out here, but you know, just sometimes a nice car ride can be a great way to clear the mind instead of having the fucking radio all the time being we’re being programmed constantly.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh man, I love that you’re using that example. Yeah. Like today, I rarely do this but you know, I’m quite mindful about the way that I’m interacting with the world most times. But I do generally love to crush content. I feel like it’s this weird accomplishment every time I crush a new podcast because I’m just learning things so fast by doing that. And today I was going for a little stroll at lunch over near mindset. That’s where my office is and yeah, I caught myself just automatically plugging my headphones in and getting ready to listen to music, music or a podcast and I realized I don’t even want to be listening to it. What would be really nice is to just go for a stroll and just chill and kind of take in the sun on my face and the sounds and like look at people and I just rolled my headphones up and put them in my pocket. I never do that, but it’s really like that’s something I’ve been doing more and more lately. Same kind of thing. Like just turning off the music when I go to my go for a ride or something because it’s really just like a subconscious need in the back of my head. Just kind of poking me, telling me I need to listen to music, you know? Where does that come from?

Jordan Candlish:

What is that constant need for stimulation? Being in the side of the mind always needs to be stimulated.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah.

Jordan Candlish:

Why can’t we just like sit here?

Sean Grabowski:

It’s an addiction.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah. Yeah. It’s like, it’s like the phone, the phone always makes it worse. I noticed that in all the time. I’m always checking shit like why? It was like we need to be stimulated like I, and it’s. It’s that we can’t sit still. It’s being in a city man. It’s like the many, so many distractions has like fucked up our attention span. Oh yeah. So we just like constant still all the time always. I’m like check something, you know, listen to music. If you notice the next time you go out you are constantly being stimulated. Oh yeah. Yeah. I feel like I’ve become very sensitive to stimulation, which is making me kind of question it all in the first place right now at least.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah. Yeah.

Sean Grabowski:

Cool. so you obviously have a pretty good routine by the sounds of it.

Jordan Candlish:

It’s pretty good. Yeah. To adapt it. Obviously coming out to Toronto and living in the city, but I feel like I’ve got it back into a really solid place. Okay, cool.

Sean Grabowski:

What is your routine like what are the, what are those kinds of staples of your everyday?

Jordan Candlish:

Everyday and I do, you know, like I, I’ve Monroe Robin Sharma, he has the 5:00 AM club. He has the monger sword, Ferrari as in big books. He came out a book recently called the 5:00 AM club. It’s really like is starting to really take the world by storm. Everyone’s jumping on board with it. And I was always an early riser back in Australia. I always got up early, like it was just, again, it goes back to what the successful people would do and everyone’s seem to [inaudible] be the most effective in the mornings and that I’ve realized it’s totally dependent on the individual. It depends on who you are, like what works for you. Some people perform better late at night and that’s fine, but I like mornings because it’s. It gives me that space when no one else is awake and I can do my inner work and I, an ideal morning for me is I could 5:00 am Well, I will. First thing I do is I go out and have some water and stretch, do some yoga, just move the body. You get the blood flowing and then I’ll sit down and do some journaling. I have the awesome mindset journal that I do every single morning or I’ll do my gratitude. Yeah, yeah. I write down my mission statement, write down like what my goals are for the day. And then just whatever’s on my mind, just get, get things off my mind and then then I’m going straight into my meditation practice, which is ranges between like an hour to an hour and a half. Or I’ll do, I do Joe Dispenza’s meditations or I’ll just have a simple Vipassana practice. And I’ve been doing that for three, three, four years now. The one hour, one hour a day and, and then I’ll either get up and go to the gym, just move, like run for 10 minutes just to get the blood flowing or I’ll just jump in a cold shower and just, yeah, freshen up, clean myself and clean my mind. So I like to expose myself to some form of discomfort early in the morning. You know, if you can throw in your, your, your run, get, get discomfort, get uncomfortable and then jump in your cold shower, your two forms of discomfort where you’ve woken the body up, you work in the mind up, you’ve had your mindfulness practice. Like to me that is like the essence of a perfect start to a morning. Then I’ll jump into some sort of, some form of creative work, whether it’s prep, prepare a social media post or prepare something for my online course or do something that’s creative and I start to stimulate that part of my brain and something that I’m passionate about. You start to infuse a really awesome energy into your day. And to me that’s where basically by 9:00 AM your, you’re good to go. You’ve like ticked off a lot of the boxes that like give you that sense of purpose and fulfillment. So yeah, that’s an ideal day for me. Like up early in an Intuit.

Sean Grabowski:

Amazing.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah, man. And then I’ll, I’ll, I’ll do, I love like going to work out around lunchtime. I’ll do my weight training around lunchtime. And I mix it up and I’ll do different workouts and my exercise is such a wicked way of being in the city, a wicked way of just getting the mind through the body. You can switch off the mind, like just like intense exercise. Then I change up like high intensity training? I do like Muy Thai, I do Barry’s Bootcamp, which is like a high intensity like running. Yeah, I love that. And yeah, that’s, that’s really it man. A lot of it’s exercise movement, mindfulness do yoga as well.

Sean Grabowski:

So cool. Crazy.

Jordan Candlish:

Like I you’re sounding pretty similar I’m assuming.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. I mean I’m not killing it with the mornings quite that much. So is it like almost your bedtime right now or what?

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah, no, not yet. Usually like 10, 10:30. But that’s the, that’s the thing, man. You have to be mindful of the 5:00 AM club. It’s like if you opt later, you can’t sacrifice sleep like I’ve done. I’ve really made that mistake before in the past. Like sleep is like, it should be the foundation of everything. And sleep really starts the evening of [inaudible]. Like what are you eating before you go to bed? What are you exposing your mind to before you go to bed? Are you eating lots of sugar because it’s going to affect your sleep? Are you around bright lights? Like all these things affect the quality of your sleep, which then affects the quality of your day. So it starts the night of like getting myself into a good place where I can get a good six to six and a half hours sleep, good quality. It’s quality, not quantity is such a powerful realization and it’s like you can sleep for eight hours, but if it’s fucking shit, quality sleep, it’s, you’re going to wake up feeling tired, which is the case for most people. So sleep hacking was a really big thing for me.

Sean Grabowski:

Have you heard of a why we sleep by Mike Walker, that book?

Jordan Candlish:

I have, but I haven’t read it. Okay. Is it worth a read?

Sean Grabowski:

Oh man, it’s amazing. It’s all about the science of what’s going on in all the different parts of your body when you are sleeping and when you aren’t getting enough. And it kind of compares it all and it will seriously freak anyone out who’s not getting enough sleep. That’s what it did for me. I’ve been aware of sleeping important, but like I said, I up until I think I kind of got into meditating to relax myself before sleep. But still sleep has always, for many years it’s been like a weak point of mine. But in general, like I have a hard time laying down, turning my mind off and resting. So it’s almost like I would, I would avoid it. I would do things all night until the last minute. Cause I knew that I would go and struggle to sleep anyway. And since I really got into meditation and well when I really got fully committed to meditation and I started meditating twice a day, every single day, my sleeping problems disappeared. And that wasn’t all that long ago, you know, it was within this year. So in that time, that’s when my mornings have started improving. So it’s still a little new for me. But, oh man, it’s amazing. Like waking up. I haven’t been able to fit as much as you have in, cause I’m still kind of enjoying just the fact that I’m sleeping at night. But like being able to wake up and meditate and journal and sometimes I even watch an episode on Gaia. I don’t know if you’re on Gaia. I’m super into it.segment. Oh man they have such good content. Yeah. Mmm. And then I’ll go and make my lunch for the day and then I bike to work.

Jordan Candlish:

Oh yeah nice, I bike to work as well.

Sean Grabowski:

But, so that’s basically my routine right now. But I go to, I go to the gym at lunch, you know, I run like two or like three to four times a week. I eat very, you know, I’m, I live a very healthy lifestyle. It’s just spread out throughout the day. I’m slowly getting more and more of it chunked down into the morning cause I, yeah. I feel amazing. Like these days when I want to have proper mornings. I think that is one of the keys. Yeah. Big time pizza. Good morning routine. Absolutely. Key.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah. The key to success. Oh yeah. Big time.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. I mean, and that’s something that I’ve read for years, but I’ve never been able to put into practice, you know, first things first I had to get the sleep thing sorted out.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah. Yeah. So any other like things you use to help with your sleep? Like what do you sleep hacking? Like what do you use?

Sean Grabowski:

So I take magnesium as well.

Jordan Candlish:

Cool, cool. I don’t know if you’ve heard of that approach, but I’ve been on the magnesium, I used to take it orally, but now I use the spray.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh really?

Jordan Candlish:

It absorbs a lot better in the skin because oral magnesium you don’t absorb most of it. So spray, you know, I think you can get one called calm your spray, you just spray it on.

Sean Grabowski:

Interesting. I’m going to have to look into that. Yeah. Well yeah, I do that. I do take Omega 3 throughout the day. Really. All the supplement thing I do is like, for my mind, I do feel calmer in my mind when I’m taking Omega 3 I buy like a pretty strong one. Yeah, I mean, I turn off, I try and get off all my screens quite early. I spend, lately I’ve been spending an hour just in my room before I go to bed meditating. I journal a little bit and then again, I just chill or I read, I’ve been finally starting to read again. 90% of that reading that I said that I’ve done like has happened in the last few months.

Jordan Candlish:

Wow.

Sean Grabowski:

And that has really helped me calm it down. Like you just have to start chilling out well before the time you’re going to go to sleep. I always used to try and find ways around that. You don’t have blue light glasses. I’ve got the flux app on my computer to like dim the blue lights. You’re still on a computer waking up your brain. Sure, it’s not shooting lights in your eyeballs, but you’re still like just keeping yourself like very, very in tune with whatever’s happening on your computer.

Jordan Candlish:

Big time. Big time.

Sean Grabowski:

Cool man. Well that’s almost 50 minutes. I think that’s a pretty sick point to end it on.

Jordan Candlish:

That flew by man. Yeah, it’s a, it’s been, again, it’s just great to be able to chat with another male who is on this path as well. Man. And I had a podcast this morning with another lad from the UK and it was like, to me it’s, it’s a sign that like as us lads assigning to talk more about this as we’re starting to gain more into interpersonal development, as we start to look at our emotions and stuff to clear away a lot of these, the, the emotional trauma that lots of people don’t acknowledge it, which is where a lot of the, you know, a lot of the dysfunction, society’s coming from unacknowledged emotional trauma. And as men we seem to master that up. Through distractions that we’ve spoken about and it’s great to see another, like you doing this kind of work, trying to better themselves, trying to go within and find out how they can be in better human. Because ultimately when we do that, we impact other people just through who we are, you know, not through what we’re doing. It’s like who we are as a person. Yeah, respect that and respect that you are sharing this content with the world. It’s, it’s really awesome.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. Thanks man. I love that feedback. Because honestly, one of the goals that I’ve kind of realized I want to put on this podcast and this show is to be a male in this space. I personally got into this and have been more open about it, you realize there’s a lot of the strong, powerful men in this world. I don’t mean powerful. Yeah. I feel like that’s not the right word, but imagine that in the best of senses, meaningful, important people like yeah, they’re the people who are very aligned with, with their community and their connection and their purpose and there’s just not enough of this in this, the sphere of masculinity. So I think you’re doing the same thing. It’s really cool to obviously have chats with guys like you and there’s going to be a lot more of these kinds of things happening in the next few years as this stuff keeps growing, you have it all. So yeah. Thanks again for joining man.

Jordan Candlish:

Thank you man. Pleasure sharing this journey with you.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah, I’m sure we’ll do another episode sometime for sure.

Quinn Welychka On The Entrepreneur Mindset & Founding His Brand bCLUTCH

Quinn Welychka On The Entrepreneur Mindset & Founding His Brand bCLUTCH

In this episode of The Mindful Steward Podcast I had the chance to catch up with Quinn Welychka, a childhood friend of mine who grew up around the corner from me. About three years ago Quinn dove head first into self-boss life, launching his company bCLUTCH. bCLUTCH is a clothing brand offering premium lifestyle clothing and athletic wear. His unique designs in combination with an exclusive/limited release business model have allowed him stand out in a crowded market, growing his brand, business and following while capitalizing on a lucrative niche. In this episode we dive into the mindset of an entrepreneur, the story of creating bCLUTCH, and everything a long the way.

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Mindset Coach Brooke Alexander On Practical Spirituality, Taking Ownership & Personal Growth.

Mindset Coach Brooke Alexander On Practical Spirituality, Taking Ownership & Personal Growth.

In this episode my new friend Brooke and I record a conversation on our journeys into the world of personal development. We end up discussing what brought us there, what we found in the endless sea of growth content, and how we apply this advice in a practical and effective manner. Brooke is a mindset & life coach by trade who helps people achieve their dreams on a daily basis. Her experience and qualification in all areas of mindset mastery make her an awesome person to chat spirituality, growth and development with. You can find her podcast: The Brooke Alexander Show on itunes.

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If you would rather red the episode transcript you can find the conversation just below:

Sean Grabowski:

Hey guys, thank you for tuning into the ninth episode of the mindful steward podcast. Today I am having a conversation with my friend Brooke Alexander and she actually has a podcast of her own as well. It’s called the Brooke Alexander show on iTunes. So Brooke is actually a mindset and business coach here in Toronto and what she does is she helps people get in the right state of mind and kind of organize their strategy for success so that they can actually accomplish the things that they’re trying to achieve. So she has a lot of great information to share and she knows a lot about personal development and the techniques and strategies that can really, really help you make a difference in your own life. So her and I kind of discuss our own path of self development and personal discovery and I think we get onto some pretty cool topics. So I do think you will like this episode, if you do want to follow the podcast, feel free to subscribe on iTunes or SoundCloud. I am going to be releasing some resources over the next month. So you can also keep up to date with that as well. All right. And without further ado, I will get this episode started.

Sean Grabowski:

All right, so how do you want to start this?

Brooke Alexander:

I don’t know. How do you just do it however you normally do it? Cause I didn’t record in person, so like I don’t know. Whatever way you found to be like the most comfortable.

Sean Grabowski:

True. Well I guess sometimes I introduce the person but this is kind of going to be a mutual thing. Okay. Yeah. Just tell us about yourself, Brooke.

Brooke Alexander:

Okay. my name is Brooke. I’m a life and success coach. I use a bunch of different modalities. So hypnotherapy, NLP, EFT and time techniques over like cool stuff. And I usually just help women, well not just, but I help women start businesses. So dealing more with the mindset stuff because that is really what people need help with. Like anyone can start a business. You can go online and like look up 10 steps on how to start a business, how to study YouTube channel, how to start a blog, whatever. But people need more than that. People need more help than just that. And that’s the stuff that usually holds people back.

Brooke Alexander:

For sure. I mean, I think the scariest part about, I mean, the hardest part about running a business is actually feeling and believing that you can actually do it because it’s a scary thing. And if you are, if you’re somebody who has a lot of self doubt, then you’re going to struggle a lot of different times.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah, exactly. And like we’ve been brought up to think that the way to success is to get a good job, have someone pay you a salary, get a house, get a car, get kids. But like not everyone wants that. And that’s not the only way to success or happiness or whatever. So I think we’re just kind of breaking out of that mold now and realizing that that doesn’t fit how the world works right now. So…

Sean Grabowski:

Oh yeah, definitely. So, I mean, I don’t want to get off topic right away. But when you say that, does that mean that you were raised to believe that that’s what success is?

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. Yeah.

Sean Grabowski:

I was always told that when I was growing up.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah, exactly. Like I saw my parents both have their jobs. We had two cars, two kids went to high school. I went to a Catholic all-girls high school. So that was very like, you must follow this path, this thing, do this, this man up in the sky is now going to dictate the rest of your life and you need to do what this God tells you. And like it was, it was really like a path and I never fit into that path ever. I got like detention, I got suspended from school cause I just was like, I don’t fit into that. That’s not what I want. And then it took me a really long time to realize that I didn’t have to do that.

Sean Grabowski:

Cool. Yeah, I mean for a long time I guess I defined success that way too. Just cause I was always told that and I was kind of a young person, wasn’t really thinking for myself yet. And as soon as I started thinking for myself, I totally changed that perspective. I realized that that’s not what I define as success. There are people who definitely succeed in that way.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. Yeah. It can work. It can work, but it just doesn’t have to be the only way.

Sean Grabowski:

Definitely.

Brooke Alexander:

So anyway, before we get too into it, let’s, can you intro yourself and tell the listeners about you?

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. I don’t even know what to say. I kind of just see myself as a normal dude, but when it comes to my own podcast and kind of what I’m doing now just for fun with all of that. I got into writing probably three years ago and it was kind of around the same time when I got a lot more into reading. Right after I actually finished university and I gave reading an actual chance because I got to pick my own books and kind of got to choose what I actually wanted to learn. And I got really into it and I started writing and everything just to build my resume. It was literally just a task with an end goal. And then I got published on a cool couple of websites and I just started feeding off that and I was like, this is really neat being able to do this. So just, one thing led to another one thing led to another I should say. And then I made a website, then I decided I wanted to redo the website. Then I got really into kind of managing just web applications and learning that whole side of things with marketing and whatnot and to kind of compact the long story. Basically. I work in Toronto at an ad agency doing that kind of thing now because I have an end goal in mind of where that can get me. And I also just really liked doing it and then I love creating content. So that’s pretty much where I am now. Just using my podcast as an excuse to have really good conversations.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. Yeah. That’s really cool. I mean I did the same thing, so, but that’s really awesome. So should we start at the beginning?

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah.

Brooke Alexander:

Alright. I’m gonna start with you though.

Sean Grabowski:

You want me to go first?

Brooke Alexander:

I want you to go first.

Sean Grabowski:

So by the beginning, you mean how I got into…

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah, how you got into spirituality and mindset stuff and like where it began for you.

Sean Grabowski:

Of course. So I would say that I got into personal growth stuff initially. I, I had no idea that it would lead me down a little bit more of a spiritual path. But I basically I’ll go way back cause even before that I was, I had kind of an interesting childhood, not really childhood, but when I was an adolescent and my parents were always kind of like, go to school, like play these normal organized sports. And I did play a lot of sports growing up too. But then I got obsessed with snowboarding and it’s this like weird unstructured sport where you meet all these weird people and everyone who’s an adult in that world is doing really cool, interesting things. And I did pretty well with that and I just got fully obsessed. And then at a certain point, right when I was about to finish university I had kind of a falling out with a girl who I was hoping things were going to get a lot more serious with who I was kind of off and on with for a little while. And then I also tore my ACL and, my whole plan was that right when I was going to finish school, I would just go fully into Snowberry and start pursuing it like 110%. I was going to move to Whistler and kind of try and get back into the groove of things with competing and, and and sponsorship and whatnot. So when I tore my ACL, I literally went into depression and I was like super sad, didn’t know what to think. And I started and I finished university and that’s when I started reading. So I naturally decided I was gonna read self help books and personal growth books. And we’ve talked about this before, but the first book I picked up was the power of now, and I think you said it was the first one you picked up too, which is such a funny coincidence.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah, my cousin told me about it. I was going through a tough time as well, and she told me to read that book.

Sean Grabowski:

It’s an awesome book. You know, I haven’t reread it since then. Looking back the language is so complex in that, but it’s really eye-opening that there’s a lot more going on and from there I just one honestly, one thing led to another. That’s right when I started writing as well and my writing, if anyone were to check out my website is really all kind of my own brand of personal, like personal analyzing and just self-awareness. So it’s, it’s personal growth content, I would say.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah, no. Yeah, it is. It’s great stuff. It’s like good writing. If you haven’t checked it out, check it out.

Sean Grabowski:

I love it. It’s like a nice way for me to express myself and yeah, I’ve just got super into it and I’ve gone to all these different areas because in my mind there’s so many different facets of being the best version of yourself. And you could start with the easiest ones, which in reality, I do think they’re the easiest ones, which is your physical health, eat better, sleep better, exercise better. And then you go into the mindset stuff and then there’s the spirituality of knowing who you are and what you actually want. And it just goes from there and eventually it just all comes together and you kind of finally hit this point where you feel like you get it. And it’s always hard to kind of keep it rolling in the right direction. But yeah, I just got super into it. I’ve read so many books and written so many articles about it at this point. I spend so much time watching YouTube stuff and listening to podcasts about it because everything brings value into my life. So it’s just become part of my lifestyle basically at this point.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. And when you first started getting into all this stuff, so what, you said that you started reading and you got into personal development books. Did someone tell you to, like how did, how did it go down that path? Because I know for a lot of people, like especially around our age, younger people, it can kind of seem like this weird thing. Like I was always really resistant to it cause I was like, who does that? Except for depressed people or alcoholics or whatever, just as I was like this weird thing. But how did that kind of specifically happen for you?

Sean Grabowski:

I honestly just started Googling. I literally just started Googling ways to make myself feel better or like I fully came across it on my own. Nobody gave it to me. I think like I’ve struggled with that at times, but I’ve always had an internal locus of control like that where if there’s something going on, my mindset will be, alright, how can I, how can I fix this? Or how can I make this work? So that was how I got into it to be honest.

Brooke Alexander:

Right. And did you have any resistance? Did you ever feel like, Oh that it was like a weird thing for you to be doing or you like fully embraced it from the beginning?

Sean Grabowski:

I think at different points. I think literally when I started actually meditating, that was a big kind of boundary formula where I was, my whole perspective was like, meditating that’s way out there. That’s like, you know, I’m not like a Buddhist guy in a temple. I’m just some dude in my house in, in like Ontario. So that was one boundary. I think once you get into the more spiritual stuff too, it’s kind of a hard thing to cross into. But I’m going to quote you because I listened to one of your podcasts earlier, earlier today I did my homework.

Brooke Alexander:

Oh God.

Sean Grabowski:

But you said this one thing that I think defines it so well, and you were like, people misinterpret spirituality and all of this as some crazy thing and they, they look at it and judge and go, that stuff doesn’t work. That doesn’t give you results. But that’s not the purpose of any of it. It’s to, the purpose of all that is to make you feel better about what you’re doing and what you have going on and to have a better approach so that you can make things happen and so that you can make things work.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. Wow. That’s like, gee, go me. I don’t know where it comes from.

Sean Grabowski:

Really, you said it like it was like one of your trademarks.

Brooke Alexander:

Oh really, I guess it probably fits into that somewhere because I’m really like into you controlling, being in control of your outcomes and being the cause and not being at effect. But sometimes I get in front of the microphone and it just comes out and I’m like, wow, go Brooke. Good for you. That’s really cool. That’s an awesome story and it’s good that you found that cause a lot of people don’t and also that you embraced it because a lot of people don’t, a lot of people think it’s super weird, especially young people, but that’s kind of how we connected is through this stuff having like a similar interest. So it’s really awesome to see people picking this up and going along with it and embracing it. It’s really cool.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah, definitely.

Brooke Alexander:

Especially guys too, especially guys. We’ll get onto that later. Yeah.

Sean Grabowski:

So how did you get into all of the, the kind of coaching, what you’re doing now and just being into the overall kind of personal growth world and, and the whole process?

Brooke Alexander:

So like I said, the the power of now book was recommended to me by my cousin. So I was going through a breakup. I had been with someone for, we were only together for two years. And I don’t think I’ve even shared this part of the story with you cause it’s kind of intense. But, so we were together for two years. We were engaged and then towards the end of the relationship he, I found out he had been cheating on me a lot throughout the whole thing. And then he got, he the end, the relationship ended because it was like, it got really, really bad to the point that I went to hospital. Yeah, he was like the worst. So then I was, yeah, yeah, it was bad. It was bad. And so I was like in a really bad spot, really bad. And my cousin recommended the book to me and so I read it and at the time I just didn’t really understand it. It’s, it can be hard to understand all of that stuff.

Sean Grabowski:

Definitely.

Brooke Alexander:

So it took me, I read it, I think I probably read each page twice because I just could not understand it, but that was kind of the seed for me. The seed was planted and then after that I still didn’t really pick up personal development for a long time. It’s still, it would have been a good couple of years until I really got into it, but I always had in the back of my mind, the only moment is the present moment. Like focus on that. This is the only moment, even though I, I understood the words, but I didn’t understand how it was real and how it applied for the longest time. And I would say it’s probably only recently that I’ve fully been able to comprehend what that means. But about a little while ago, actually, like couple of years ago, it all kind of came flooding back. So I was really unhappy with a whole lot of stuff. I was still dealing with the end of that relationship, dealing with all that stuff. And I hadn’t gotten over it yet in terms of mentally it was still affecting me and I was still angry from it and frustrated and blaming and a victim. But I kind of was thinking, this can’t be the only way. I can’t be the only person in life who is miserable. I see all these other people happy and having a good life. What is the difference? And then it kind of clicked and I was like, the only difference is what’s going on in my head. And so it snowballed from there. And then I yeah, just kind of snowballed. And then I started reading more personal development books. And the next one I read was, You Are A Badass by Jen Cincero and that, and also another podcast called the life coach school by Brooke Castillo. I don’t know if you’ve ever listened to that.

Sean Grabowski:

I’ve never even heard of it.

Brooke Alexander:

Oh it’s so good. I listened to the first episode and it’s something like why you’re not getting the results or something you say you want or something along those lines. And I seriously listened to that episode and I was mind blown. And all she said was, you can choose your thoughts, you can choose what thoughts you want to have, what thoughts you want to get rid of, you can create thoughts that you want. And I was like, Oh my God, that’s so true. Why hasn’t anyone ever told me this before? And then, yeah. And then it just kept on getting bigger and bigger and I got more into personal development stuff. I also started meditating and then I was doing fitness coaching at the time, so online fitness coaching, cause I was doing bodybuilding competitions. And then I quickly realized that I didn’t actually like doing workout programs for people. I don’t care about that. It’s so boring. And also people know what to do at the gym. People know that you need to go to the gym and you need to lift a weight or you need to run on the treadmill. You, you don’t need a coach to tell you what to do. That’s not really, even when you have a coach that’s not what they’re coaching you on. They’re giving you the guidance and the support and whatever other mindset stuff that is really important. So I realized that’s really what people needed help with and that was what I liked talking about and helping people with the most. So then I decided to transition into just life and success coaching and then here we are.

Sean Grabowski:

Cool. And I mean that’s so true. There was a, the first girl named Lauren who I did my first episode with, she was a business coach and she basically helps people with their online strategy. So she helped with that side. But she also did the mindset stuff and what she, she told me multiple different stories and there were a lot of shoe focused on women as well. So female entrepreneurs and a lot of the time it’s these women who have awesome businesses or they have literally the one lady had a book written and it’s like an awesome book and she just needed someone there to kind of encourage her to PR to promote it. And she published her book and made like $250,000 on the first day. And it just like, obviously it’s just done amazing things since then, but imagined she just never published that she had that book ready for three years and she just never published it until she paid for a coach to just kind of support her through it. So yeah, it’s like, it’s almost just the accountability of having someone there. Once you’ve paid for someone to help you, there’s a huge accountability because you’re not going to be, you’re not going to let them call you again and ask you, “Hey, how’s it going with that project?” And just tell them, Hey, Oh yeah, I did nothing.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. Especially when you invest money in something. So I see money, just an energy and it’s an energy exchange. And when people kind of put that energy into themselves, someone pays four, five, six $10,000 for a coach. That is, that’s huge. And that’s not something that you just gotta be like willing to drop and forget about when you do that kind of exchange and put, put money on something like you’re so much more likely to take action rather than when you haven’t invested anything like that.

Sean Grabowski:

Definitely. Yeah, definitely. And I mean this is kind of like off the record, but how I was just telling you that I want to do a bunch of video projects and I’ve been debating, I’ve been like trying to be cheap about it and in my head I know that I just need to make sure that I buy sweet camera or whatever kind of camera it is and then I’ll do something with it. Because I’m not going to waste that. You know, I’m not just going to waste those resources that I put into it.

Brooke Alexander:

Exactly. Exactly. And I’ve helped people for free. I’ve coached some people for free at the beginning and I offered free calls to people, they wouldn’t show up. They wouldn’t do the stuff there. So there are some people that do this stuff even though it’s free. I do offer, I do help some people out and give them free access to my course. I have a mindset because it’s only $33 but there was some people that I’m like I’ll give it to you because I know you’re going to do it. But the majority of people they don’t. They don’t. So yeah, it definitely when you attach the money to it and then you have the, well it’s not just giving money to something. It’s also paying for someone to help you and guide you and support you. Someone who’s like a couple steps ahead and knows what you’re going through and has the tools and techniques to help you get to where you want to be and can be an objective perspective and say, all right, this is actually what you need to do. If you’re scared of this thing, why are you scared of this? Why aren’t you doing this thing? What are you afraid will happen? What won’t happen? And have someone from the outside looking because your ego gets in the way and the ego is just like, no, I don’t want to, I don’t want to do that. I didn’t need to ask myself these hard questions. So I’ve had plenty of coaches and wouldn’t take it back at all.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah, that’s cool. See, that’s one thing that I mean kind of being somewhat in this industry for a little while now, I wouldn’t say I’m in the industry cause I’m not like running a business. But…

Brooke Alexander:

Well you’re in it though.

Sean Grabowski:

I’m fully in it and I see a lot of people and I’m in a lot of people and people message me through my, my website and I message other people and, and ended up with a lot of unique connections. But there’s a lot of people I come across who are coaches, but they kind of, it’s so obvious that they just want to like, they even will talk about it sometimes where they’re like, yeah, I went to a Tony Robbins event and now I’m a coach because I just, I just like, you know, it’s just possible. I just see it now, but I’ve already noticed, I’ve only known you for like a few weeks now and you seem like you’re investing in all these different avenues so you’re investing in all these different courses, they’re costing you a lot of money. So you’re like getting all these tangible things that you can help people with. It’s not just you kind of deciding that you’re established to be a coach, which is honestly a common thing in that whole sphere of things, which kind of takes away from everyone like you who’s actually got all these certifications and stuff.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. And the certifications, like if you’re good at what you’re, what you do they’re not necessary. There are some people that go into it after going to like one personal development event and they’re like, okay now I’m a coach and they’re not in it for the right reasons and they’re not going to be good coaches. And then there some people who just can do it cause they’re really good at it and they do it and like they’re good coaches and they don’t necessarily have the certifications and that’s, that’s fine. As long as they’re getting the results and they’re not like saying that they can cure mental health issues or whatever. That’s fine. But then yeah, even having the training it is, I can’t even explain how different it is going through all the certifications and the training stuff. It’s like I can provide so much more value and help in so many more different ways that I couldn’t before. And it’s like yes I will keep paying so I can help people so much more than I currently can. And I signed up for the master practitioner training as well. So I’m going to do master practitioner training cause I’m like people need this, people need to know this stuff and it, it’s amazing.

Sean Grabowski:

What is that?

Brooke Alexander:

So the training that I did before was just like your intro level and LP hypnotherapy time techniques and EFT. So I’m certified to do those things. But then the next level up is master practitioner training. So then it’s master hypnotherapist, master NLP, like just the next level. So the training that I just went through was seven days. And the master prac is two weeks. Two weeks of training. Yeah. It’ll be with the same person.

Sean Grabowski:

Okay. Yeah. Cool. So one thing that I’m huge on is kind of, it’s the neuroplasticity of the human mind and the fact that the way you walk around in your normal life and the way that things happen to you and the way that you interact with things are based on beliefs and thoughts, things that are preprogrammed into the way that you are. And you don’t have to be that way. They were programmed into you over years. And obviously when you’re a child, you’re more of a sponge than any other time and kind of things that are told you, things that you experienced kind of shaped that a lot. And like what your parents, it could go into like down that whole rabbit hole if I wanted, but but if you can program that, then you can reprogram it now. And it’s such a real thing. Honestly. Like I used to have so many way worse ways of thinking back in the day. And it’s just like amazing how, how different your mindset can change. I’ll just use a really simple example. The day I started my website, I had a buddy who, he was also very into personal growth stuff. He was probably one of the only other people who at the time I knew who was, and his name’s Rodrigo, I actually had an episode with him. Super awesome dude. But he, where was I going with this?

Brooke Alexander:

Mine started your website.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh yeah. Yeah. So he had, he was kind of a YouTuber at the time and he had this, all these awesome videos, like really sweet content and kind of him just talking about himself and how he like is afraid in these moments and how if he, if he just accepted himself that he wouldn’t have to hold himself back, like really self-aware stuff. And I said it to him, I was like, we need to do a podcast, man. You and I need to do a podcast. And then it sunk in. And I was like, I can’t do this. That’s terrifying. I’m incapable of doing that 100%, and that’s just like a whole shift from where I was then to where I am now. And there’s been so many different things along that route and I’m huge into reprogramming your mind with affirmations and I’ve met a lot of people in the last year who are obsessed with that and they literally have things like plastered all over their walls and there’s some of the people doing the coolest things that I’ve ever met in my entire life. And I think I told you about a few of them.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah, that’s so true though. Like all of that. And we don’t, people don’t learn this. No one tells us this. No one says Hey, you don’t have to think that way. Like it has it. It sometimes take people, it takes people going to rock bottom or like getting in a really shitty experience for them to discover personal development and then go in that rabbit hole. And then like I said, I listened to that one podcast episode, and my whole perspective changed. I was like, Oh my God, I can choose my thoughts, I can choose what I believe. I don’t have to just believe this random thing that my parents have been saying for years. And like it’s, insane.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah, absolutely. And when you stop kind of limiting yourself with like bad negative thoughts, then you can make little steps in the right direction and one thing builds on another. I use this example all the time, but about a year and a half ago, I was literally sitting in my, I was back living in my hometown doing nothing without a job and I was literally doing nothing and I felt so negative and I like literally like my confidence was like shrinking by the day because I was just doing nothing. And I came across all this stuff again. I kind of like had a big lull where I wasn’t into it and I came across this stuff again and I just kind of started making myself aware of what I needed to do and ways to think. And I just made sure that I got a job. I made sure that I got some freelance jobs to like make some side money. I made sure that I started lining things up for what would come next and I just, one thing led to another and now I’m, I’m like miles ahead from where I was just a year and a half ago. And I feel way more secure in pushing even farther because now I have that solid kind of base form, you know?

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. And when you found personal development again, like was that the thing that made you like start to make the changes again or yeah, it wasn’t.

Sean Grabowski:

Definitely. Well there was kind of a story behind it as well. I don’t know if I told you this, but I might’ve but I was going to move to Vancouver and I had my heart set on it and I was ready to go. Literally had my stuff packed in boxes and I had some friends who were there and it’s funny how things just work out to like synchronicity, right? Like things sometimes just can’t be a coincidence, but I got a few freelance jobs out of nowhere out of thin air. So I was like, okay, I’m going to stick around and finish these quickly. And I was spending some time with a girl, this girl at the time and things were getting more and more kind of serious between us. And then my friends whose house I was literally going to live at in Vancouver while I got started. They were kind of talking to and they were like, man, it’s hard out here to get started. Like entry level work is hard to find out here. And the wages are way lower than Ontario, but living expenses are way higher and not that I would necessarily be completely deterred by that. If I want to live somewhere, I’ll just, I’ll live there, you know. But there were all these different signs being like, don’t go, don’t go. Like it’s just not gonna work. And then I had nothing going on and I was kind of seeing this girl, so I had nothing. I had nothing else going on for myself. So that relationship just naturally started being my only thing and it made it not, it made it not work. Right. So I sat around a few weeks later and I was like, all right, look at this. This is because I have nothing going on. So that was when I kind of jumped into all this self-help content. Again, this is a perfect transition because I wanted to bring this up, but I came across a few different books, kind of wide range of topics, but the law of attraction was a huge one. And there’s all this crazy spiritual stuff with the law of attraction and I totally believe in synchronicity like I mentioned. Sometimes I’ve always believed this even since I was a young kid, that things just are too big of a coincidence to not have meant to happen that way. Like there’s some that sometimes things are just way too crazy, like when you haven’t thought of someone or something in 10 years and then you think of them and then two minutes later something else happens related to them. And then again, you know what I mean?

Brooke Alexander:

Totally.

Sean Grabowski:

And that kind of stuff just kept happening in me. I ended up diving into the solid attraction stuff and though it goes into a really kind of magical realm sometimes where it took me is that what it preaches is complete personal responsibility. You know, like always attracts like. And it’s always true whether you believe in the magical side or just the practicality of that concept. So you know, if, if I’m sitting around and I’m not in a very good vibration at all, you know, I’m like probably slightly selfish with my friends or people I’m in a relationship with, you know, I may be not making the best impression at work. All these things, you’re at a low vibration and good things are not going to come to your friend’s going to appreciate you less. Your friends aren’t going to invite you out to do awesome things when they have like free tickets, whatever. That’s just a hilarious example because I somehow like got free tickets, test so many things this summer. But yeah, it’s, it’s so real. Like when you fully decide that you are going to be the reflection of everything that you want to come back to you. It’s so empowering and it’s so real.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. So did you find that when you were living back at home and you were feeling like really down and like had, we’re a bit depressed that it was like feeding and you said it was getting worse every day. Do you think that was because of just that like low vibe and like attracts like so each day it was just getting worse and worse because you weren’t like doing anything about it?

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Brooke Alexander:

And like I even know when I feel shitty or I’m like grumpy or angry or whatever and shit, stuff starts happening to me. Even just like walking outside, someone will be really rude to me. I’m in a bad mood and I’m at a super low vibe and then someone at a grocery store would be super rude or bad stuff will happen. Not bad. I mean, not bad stuff, but like, you know, you’ll just see more bad stuff until you can like click into it. And just say, Oh wait, actually this is all me. I’m attracting this other really bad stuff. And then you can kind of take control of it from there.

Sean Grabowski:

Definitely. And I mean it preaches a lot of emotional maturity to it. Like if you believe in the law of attraction, you will inherently become emotionally mature. At least if you’re actually practicing what you’re preaching because every time you’re getting rattled about something that’s pointless in the big picture, you’ll step back and be like, the vibes that I’m putting out there just from even thinking this aren’t even worth it, they literally aren’t even worth it. So it makes you question every time that something is bothering you. And that in my mind, is really what consciousness is in general. It’s being, that’s what consciousness is. You know, you’re aware of your thoughts.

Brooke Alexander:

And not to say that any of this is like, you can’t feel sad or angry because then you’re going to have a shitty life. But so like I still feel sad all the time. I cry when I need to cry. I get angry when I need to get angry. But it’s the awareness of saying, all right, I have this negative emotion, negative state, but I’m responsible for either getting out of that or staying in it. It’s not that these emotions control you. You get to control them so you can stay in a low vibe and be angry and be rude and be a mean person. And eventually like a bad day becomes a bad personality. But the point of all this stuff, law of attraction and mindset stuff, is that you can control, that you’re allowed to feel your feelings but your responsible for all your outcomes and all your experiences. And like I said earlier, I am 100% fully believe that everyone should be at cause and not at effect of outside world, experiences, emotions, fully take responsibility. And that’s what law of attraction is. Totally.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. Completely. Yeah.

Brooke Alexander:

Kind of I guess on topic, but a little bit of a side note, we’re going to talk about it anyway. So when you started getting into law of attraction, did you have any resistance to that or, or like how did that come up? Cause at first, so for me, law of attraction. The first time I ever heard about it was through the book, the secret, the movie. Actually I didn’t read, I haven’t read the book and I haven’t seen the movie, but someone told me that it was like, Oh, you just think something and you get it. And I was like, that’s stupid and it doesn’t work. But for you, is that like, did you, how did you come across it and how did you yeah, tell me that. Tell me that.

Sean Grabowski:

How did I come across it? That’s a really tough one. So I heard of the secret years and years ago. I literally think that I was just watching YouTube videos from other stuff and I just came across like some YouTubers who just mentioned law of attraction here and there. And I was just like, law of attraction. That sounds like something I should learn more about. I think it was completely just a coincidence like that. Like I’m somebody who’s always digging, right? Yeah.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. I didn’t have. any resistance.

Sean Grabowski:

No, I mean I’m a really like law of attraction in a weird way. So let’s say people who believe in God, they believe, they just have this belief that there’s something else going on. There’s some God, there’s not a guy, there’s a God whether he’s a man or a female.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah, well they call him a man.

Sean Grabowski:

But they, they just believe that he’s there. And I have always kind of worded it this way, but I grew up Christian. I’m not from like a a super Christian household or anything like that. Like I came from a family that barely ever went to church or anything, but technically I’m a Christian. So, but I’ve never really identified as like, I believe in God. I believe the Bible is a set of real stories and rules like, but what I do believe in is that there’s something going on here and the law of attraction is kind of like, it’s just another way of expressing that. It’s like there’s something else going on here, you know, like we can’t explain it. There’s something that happens when you die. There’s something that’s going on here, like day to day in the way that you act and the way that you are and the way that you think. And so, I don’t know, I’ve always just been really open minded to things like that. If something, yeah, I really don’t know. It’s just like, I just believe it. I just believe that there’s something else going on here. And I think the law of attraction kind of plays into that.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah, that’s really cool. And the only reason I’m like so intrigued by it is because for me just the idea of a guy being into spirituality, I haven’t really come across any normal guys who are into this kind of stuff. And I know it, we’ve spoken about this before, that it’s mostly women that are into this kind of stuff and it speak about it, whether or not like maybe there are guys that are into it, they just don’t talk about it. But yeah, it’s cool. It’s really cool. I, yeah, it’s awesome.

Sean Grabowski:

Cool. Yeah, I’m glad that that’s the feedback I’m getting like from you and other people. So I’m just gonna explain that a little further. But yeah, like a few weeks ago I just ran into this girl I know and she was talking to me about my podcast and she was asking me like, what, what are you trying to do with all this? And my response was, well, I just want to have an excuse to have cool conversations. And she basically said, well, you have this theme going on though. Like you wouldn’t have this random theme if it was just to talk about stuff. And I literally had never realized it until that moment. But in the spiritual world in general with personal growth and mindfulness in particular and spirituality, there’s like, there’s not many good resources for just normal dudes. And there is some guy stuff out there, but it’s like, it’s either, so I’m like totally nomad dude who like has hair down to his knees and lives on like a hut in Hawaii or it’s this like this, like this guy who’s a yoga dude

Brooke Alexander:

Or like a Tony Robbins or whatever, which is like a way too, yeah, it’s too much.

Sean Grabowski:

And I really am just a normal dude. Like I’m not, like I don’t, I don’t practice any of that really out there stuff that often. I practice all of this whole kind of concept regularly in my life and I realized there’s this huge lacking there and that’s kind of something that I want my podcast and everything to take on the theme of, and I didn’t even tell you this yet, but ironically I was actually sitting with my friend Chris, who I did one of my last episodes with. He’s a super spiritual guy to like really into all this stuff. And we were in LA. Just talking, just like you meet so many random people there, right? Who are just doing cool stuff. Like I describe it, you know, when you’re in Toronto and everyone’s just kind of getting it, you’re walking around downtown and it’s kind of motivating. You see all these people get it, but they’re all like, people in business suits who are like, they work at banks and law firms. LA was like that, but it’s all creatives, which is so cool. It’s like people who are getting it, but they’re writers and directors and coaches and like pro surfers, there’s like so many different things. But, so one of the people I met was this guy and I told him about my podcast and the first thing he said was, you know what, I go to meditation centers probably once a week or so around here. And the one thing that I really don’t like is I go into all these meditation centers and there’s very few guys. I’ll the guys are, they’re not really like me. Like I’m just a normal dude. He was such a normal dude. And there’s like, they come in, they lay crystals around everyone and they do these like kind of really out there stuff. And he’s like, I just want to go in there and meditate and meditate and clear my head and you know, just get the good practicality of it so that I can get on with my day and what I’m doing. Cause he was a dude who was like really well esteemed in what he was doing. He was an author and he owned like a startup with his buddy. And he just was a practical dude who just wanted to, who practiced all this stuff and just wanted a really realistic approach to benefiting his own life from it all. And he expressed that same thing without me even telling him that. So I’ve just noticed this giant gap.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. There is a giant gap and I’ve told you you need to fill it. Yeah. Yeah. You can. Like this is the start, but yeah, that’s really cool. And even I think so. You’re so right. All that stuff. Like it’s so female dominated and there isn’t. Maybe the reason that there is not a lot of guys kind of getting into this stuff is because it is so female dominated. And I understand that. Like I like crystals. I mean they’re pretty sure they’re pretty, that’s I, okay. I don’t wanna get too far into crystals, but I wouldn’t want to go to a meditation center and have them put around me even though I like them. That’s not what I want from meditation either. But there are people like me and you who are coming into it and coming into this space and we’re the ones where the of saying let’s make this normal and accessible and not weird and not hippie and not with crystals everywhere. So this is like, this is where we come in to fill that gap. But it’s cool.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah, it’s neat. I mean I’m ever since that conversation with that guy, I’ve been emailing with him a little bit too. I think I’m going to have a Skype call and talk about it, but I’ve been just brainstorming like how can I fill that gap? Yeah. Well and putting that intention out there into the universe of how can I feel that gap. Now you’ve put that intention out there. Law of attraction, synchronicities, this is how it all works. It’s all going to start coming to you soon. So you need to make sure that you’re ready to receive this stuff that you’re going to get from the universe and the downloads and you’re not just going to be like, that’s silly. Can’t do that. That’s silly, can’t do that, because the reason that you’re going to get these ideas and all that stuff coming through is because the universe is like, all right, we’ve got someone who is ready, let’s go and just give you so many ideas. So some of it’s probably going to seem really weird, but that’s kind of the sign. Whenever I get a really weird idea, I’m like, that’s a sign that I need to do that even though it’s weird and I haven’t seen anyone do that before. I have this idea for a reason and it’s going to be the same for you. So I don’t know what you’ve come up with. You haven’t told me what, what you’ve come up with so far in your brainstorms, but…

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah, I’ve got some ideas, but nothing is totally solid. Yeah, I’ve been, I’ve messaged a few people about it, some guys who are just like me. So those are the kinds of people I need to be connecting with more right now too. Right?

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. And definitely doing stuff that’s more male focused to get more guys into this stuff. As a woman, I know like we connected because we were both into this same stuff. And for people I know like getting into relationships or whatever, it’s like all right, well Thailand likely I’m going to find a guy who is into this kind of stuff. So he then needs to be supportive of it and not tell me I’m stupid or he just needs to like kind of put up with it. So it’s like nice to see. And I know there are probably a lot of women out there that would be really grateful for males to get into this kind of stuff. And I know there’s a lot of things with like let men do their own thing and women do their thing because like we need nothing to, but no, no, this isn’t one of those things like at all. So, yeah, it’s so cool that we’re seeing so many more normal down to earth guys getting into this stuff.

Sean Grabowski:

And I mean it’s gonna it’s gonna happen more and more because it’s just kind of a, like, I don’t know if you’ve heard all about the kind of, people have talked about it for a long time that a consciousness shift is happening right around this moment. Yeah. And I think that really, that’s kind of what it is. It’s, it’s just more people becoming aware of the fact that the human mind is such a powerful tool and there’s a lot more behind what it can do and everything really is the power of your, you know,

Brooke Alexander:

Have you ever seen a video of neurons in the brain wiring and like making new connections and disconnecting from old connections?

Sean Grabowski:

I dunno. Is that the one where it looks like an electrical charge goes in and it just spreads around like a [inaudible]

Brooke Alexander:

No. Well that’s what happens when stuff is fired through neurons and the electrical energy fires and goes through all the connections. But there’s videos that I’ve seen of neurons connecting to new neurons to making new connections. So when you think a new thought or learn something new you, there’s a new wire created and then like when you want to get rid of something, it unwires and like you that it’s so cool. It’s really, really cool. You have to watch it. I’ll see if I can find it somewhere. But it’s, so as soon as I saw that I was like, Oh my God, that’s happening in my head right now. I learn something new and these neurons that are in there move around, they move and find another neuron to connect too. It’s, it’s so insane. I saw that and I was like, Whoa. Seriously.

Sean Grabowski:

I mean, the power of the human mind is actually insane. Like I have, this episode was not really about mindfulness, but my last episode was with a friend of mine who became a pro snowboarder and he hit his head a couple of years ago and was in a coma. And he, like they said he was going to die and he survived. And then they told him he was going to be paralyzed and then they told him that his whole left side was going to, those motor skills were going to be horrible. And he was just in there like, he’s such a determined guy. Like people who become pros at things are determined people. Right. And he was in there learning how to walk and talk again. He couldn’t even speak or write or, or walk or do anything. And he yeah, he had to learn all of that all over again. And that was after they had to cut his brain and like all these different things and it’s just crazy. The brain is so plastic and he’s like, he’s literally like back to normal. It’s insane.

Brooke Alexander:

Oh, so have you ever, I think we’ve spoken about Joe Dispenza. Yes. so he was kind of a similar story. He’s a chiropractor. He was a chiropractor and then got hit by a car and it was the same thing. He had a spinal injury and they told him you’ll never walk again, blah, blah blah. And now he’s like leading the field in meditation and quantum shifting and it’s insane.

Sean Grabowski:

His stuff is incredible. I think it’s some of my favorite stuff right now.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah, yeah. I’m kind of, I, so I read his book quite a while ago and I loved it. Breaking The Habit of Being Yourself (Joe Dispenza). Okay. And then recently, even actually since we talked the last time, so I’ve started getting to know his stuff way more. Actually since we talked so much stuff has come up, like popping up for quantum, shifting YouTube videos, books, all that kind of stuff. So much for quantum shifting has been popping up. It’s, it’s weird. It’s like one of those synchronicities things like the universe is pushing me down that path. It’s really cool. But that’s what he does. Yeah. And webinars, weird webinars just were popping up and I was like, I got a spare two hours. Sure. I’ll watch this webinar on quantum shifting. I don’t know why, but it’s a sign. I use that as a sign that the teacher, what do they say, the, when the teacher appears, when the student is ready.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah, that’s it.

Brooke Alexander:

So I think that’s kind of what it is.

Sean Grabowski:

That statement is so true. You know, you won’t learn until you’re ready. And that’s where the whole, you have to hit rock bottom thing kind of happens. It’s like you have to be literally so fed up or if screwed up so bad from your habits or tendencies before you literally look around and go, wow, I’m doing this wrong.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. Yeah. And it’s unfortunate that it kind of gets that way, but it might also be a good thing because then you go through the experience and you can add so much more value when you know, like I have been through something so, so shit that when I can get through that and add value for other people, I’ll know where they’re coming from. And I’ll know I’ve gone leaps and bounds and that it’s possible for anyone else to do as well. But throughout quantum shifting. It’s real. It’s real. That’s a whole other topic. But I know I need to dive into that a little more before I can talk about it. It’s crazy. So I watched this video. We actually did talk about this, about the double slit experiment or something. Is that what it’s called? But I found this one YouTube video that explained that really, really simply cause I was trying to look it up and I was like, I don’t understand what any of this means.

Sean Grabowski:

Is it the cartoon one?

Brooke Alexander:

It’s kind of a cartoon, just random weird dude talking, but he explained it so, so well and that, and then this kind of ties all back into choosing what you want to think and what you want to feel because nothing has any meaning until it’s observed and meaning is applied, which is kind of how that all comes in. So with the quantum shifting, nothing exists until it is, it is observed existing or it can exist in all States until it’s observed existing. I think, don’t quote me on that. I could be completely wrong and like the whole science, but that’s kind of how I interpret it and how it makes sense to me. And also with your thoughts or with your experiences that happen in your reality. Nothing has meaning. Nothing is good or bad until you label it that way. So you could walk down the street and someone could yell something at you and you could say, that’s terrible. That person was rude to me. I feel really bad. I’m angry, blah, blah, blah. Or you could just say, Whoa. That was kind of funny. So it’s, yeah, kind of all ties in really nicely there, I feel like.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh, definitely. Yeah, definitely. I’m going to give a little bit of context here. So the double slit experiment in a nutshell, they shot a bunch of atoms through a slit and atom’s hit the wall in a wave. So atom’s are basically a form. There’s such a small form of matter that they’re not a physical object anymore. And when you shoot them out a wall, a weight, a basically a wave will come out of the gun. But as soon as you put a camera out there and you literally try and watch the atom hit the wall to understand why it hits as a wave, it’ll hit it like a ball. It’ll be like as if you’re shooting like a bullet at the wall. So for some reason when you watch matter, it reacts differently. So that is where the really kind of magical side that is super debatable. Everyone can argue whatever they believe, but that’s something that physics and nobody on this earth can explain. But when you watch matter, it reacts differently. So that’s kind of the whole concept that if you visualize only good things and you think only good thoughts and you only are putting a good vibrations, that there’s that’s how you get the good things. And that’s how you make all those things materialize because you’re watching it in a certain way and it’s just a wave until you watch it.

Brooke Alexander:

There’s so many things that, okay, this could all lead in to, first of all let’s talk about how you put all of this into practice. So do you have certain, I know you’ve told me that you have stuff on your walls but do you like when do you meditate? How do you meditate? What kind of law of attraction stuff do you do? How do you practice all of that?

Sean Grabowski:

It’s a good question. So I literally I have a whiteboard in my room and I never did this until I keep quoting my old episodes, which is so funny. But I did an episode of Max Eberhardt. He used to be on the Canadian national team, one of the best pros numbers in the world. And then he just had too many concussions and had to retire. And within a year he was producing songs for Drake, just like full career shift and right back to the very top, you know? And I was like, how did you do it? Just I’m still mind blown about how he did so quickly because people dream their whole lives about doing that. And he was the first person who told me this out of many. Since then, he was like, I had all my goals, plastered on my walls, and had affirmations plastered on this giant whiteboard. I have a six foot tall whiteboard, but if side of my bed, and I look at that shit every single day. So I literally went to Dollarama like the next day, bought a whiteboard, wrote down all my goals and affirmations and I read them every single day. And at the very least, it just keeps everything top of mind and you know, it, it’s basically that you tell yourself what you want to believe and you’ll get if you do read that first thing in the morning, you can feel that way throughout the day. So I do that. I journal often and my journal is literally of just like pure positivity. There’s nothing negative ever spoken in it. And if it is, it’s like, it’s like just acknowledging the fact that now past that. So those are two ways that I do it. But I think I’m like a complicated person without question because I do so much. You know, I go to the gym often, I run often and it’s all because of the way that it affects my mind and I bike to work because of the way that it sets up my day. Cause it’s like I feel good, you know, when I get to the office and I’m like able to be a little better than I would be otherwise. Yeah. Like almost everything is just like a practice of mindfulness. But one thing that I think is setting my content, is what I think I like about the content that I write and that I talk about is that I’ve started taking this different approach on it where, like you look at humans, like we’re just hormonal beings. Like literally, as much as we can say that we’re spiritual beings, we can say that we’re like whatever we want to say. Like I’m guided by hormones and like the way that you live really, there’s a lot of things that fully affect those. Are you actually the natural state of being that allows you to be at your best? Because when you sit on Instagram constantly, and no offense, there’s a way, there’s a huge difference between sitting there, comparing yourself to people or posting shit that nobody cares about, to be, to be quite Frank about what a lot of people are doing and posting content because it’s what you’re doing. Like there’s a huge difference between what you do and what a lot of other people do. But when you sit on Instagram and you’re just like posting really pointless stuff just because of this weird kind of negative feeling that you’re trying to get rid of and you’re just sitting there scrolling, comparing yourself to everyone, or this is a touchy topic, but let’s say you’re just like watching porn to make yourself feel better, which is a huge problem with dudes. That shit fucks with your hormones so badly and you can really take control of your mindset in a lot of ways by being aware of the way that what you’re doing is affecting those hormone imbalances.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. Yeah. And so do you mean like the kind of instant gratification stuff?

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. Basically.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. Cause that’s what Instagram, social media basically is instant gratification really.

Sean Grabowski:

For sure. Yeah. And they like those hormone imbalances. It’s the newest science that I think is going to be a huge thing soon cause they’re, they’re literally relating social media and porn and all these things back to like anxiety, depression, ADHD all these different things and impulsiveness. Because it literally, it creates a pattern of indulgence. Yeah. Yeah. So those are things that I’m diving into. Like those are my, my new school approaches that I think are amazing. There’s some of the best things I’ve ever done to improve my mindset.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. Yeah. Cool. And what about meditating? How do you do that? When do you do that?

Sean Grabowski:

I forgot I left that one out. You’re right.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. This is an important one because I’m big on meditating. I love doing it. I love telling everyone else to do it. So how do you do it?

Sean Grabowski:

Literally I would say I work out at lunch when I’m at work and I probably gone to sauna three, four days a week. Yeah. I meditate in the sauna. That’s an awesome place for it. Cause it’s like, it’s kinda challenging too. It’s like very like a good place for solitude. But yeah, I meditate pretty often. I usually do guided meditations when I’m at home. I’m going to say half and half. Depends whether my roommates are home or not. Yeah. I’ll do a guided meditation if they’re home. Put my headphones in. But yeah, I probably meditate like five days a week, I would say. That’s pretty good. Do you do it before work or just before bed? I don’t probably like after work. Like I really do not have a stressful job cause I like what I do and it’s just like an awesome work environment. But some days I get home and I’m just like a little too go, go, go and I’ll just, I literally just meditate when I sense that I need to, I don’t really have a routine. So it’s more like me just listening to, yeah.

Brooke Alexander:

That’s cool. Yeah. Do you have a morning routine, ritual kind of thing to set you up for the day?

Sean Grabowski:

I wish. I wish. I know. I really do. I know so much about what people say about that stuff. But yeah, I am bad with mornings. I’m just bad with mornings, but I’m aware of that.

Brooke Alexander:

When did you decide that?

Sean Grabowski:

Good question.

Brooke Alexander:

It’s a life coach session.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh no. Yeah, I know that’s like a habit I’m so aware of honestly is so aware of yeah. Just need to crack it. Yeah, I think I’m going to have to crack it soon because I’ve been biking to work and it’s so easy to just get out of bed, bike to work. But now that it’s winter, I kind of, I’m going to have to start taking transit. I got to wake up earlier. I got to like…

Brooke Alexander:

Deal with transit. People on transit ready transit in, in Toronto in the winter. Not in the winter. Not in the winter. You’re going to need to meditate. You are gonna need to meditate.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. I’m not a fan of transit.

Brooke Alexander:

Yup. Yup. I’ve done that plenty of times.

Sean Grabowski:

So we’re almost at an hour. Should we dive into a little bit more before we cut this off? Okay. I want to ask you about this. So I’ve asked a lot of people about this because everyone has a different response. But law of attraction is basically taking complete ownership and creating your future and you’re big into tarot cards and kind of believing that. I mean, I don’t know if taro cards really are that, but do you believe that things are already predefined? Do you think that things turn out a certain way because they’re meant to? Because I don’t know how you can believe in that and believe in the law of attraction.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. You know what? So I had a conversation with someone the other day and I S I haven’t verbalized this kind of thought or idea, but I’ve come up with this thing lately. This theory I have that everything that will ever happen, all our memories, everything that’s going to happen, like our lives have already all fully happened. And time is a way of, our consciousness’ way of putting all those memories in a certain order. So, even though we think that time is progressing and moving forward and things are happening in a linear fashion, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 2018, 2019, that this is just an organization way of doing things, but everything’s already all happened in our consciousness. Our consciousness is already experienced everything that we’re ever going to experience, but we just have to put it in this order. So this is a thought that I’ve had that I literally probably like formed it formed maybe a week or two ago. It’s very recent. So I don’t know how that fits into law of attraction really. I don’t know. But I, yeah, I don’t know how those two time together and I don’t even know if I fully believe in this theory that I came up with. It’s just something that’s floating around in my head. But I don’t…

Sean Grabowski:

Did you come up with that theory?

Brooke Alexander:

I probably have heard it. I’ve probably heard it somewhere or have like put other people’s ideas to get, or maybe it isn’t fully my idea or maybe I, maybe someone else has thought of it, but I’ve also thought of it, I don’t know. Like, I dunno. I listen to a lot of stuff when I’m falling asleep, so if I’ve like heard it and it’s kind of gone in unconsciously while I’m falling asleep, I don’t know. But my brain is entertaining this idea. At least it’s entertaining. It, it didn’t push it away so it’s in there. But even so, I still wouldn’t leave things, because maybe this is my path. Maybe even, maybe if everything has already happened, my path might still be one of following the idea of law of attraction and deciding what my reality is going to look like. Maybe that is what it is for me. And then for someone else who doesn’t believe that there’s is their life that they’re unhappy with and that’s their path. I don’t know. I don’t have like a fully, a full answer for that. Yeah.

Sean Grabowski:

I mean for myself, I’m an open minded person, you know, that’s the thing. I’m, I’m willing to entertain anything, any idea until it’s proven to be like, hilarious or kooky. But yeah, one of my buddies who I was on that trip with, he was like, man, you’re like such a freewill guy. Like everything about what you believe is like freewill. And I realized like, yeah, for sure. It’s like, for me. It’s like a fuel. It’s like, yes, anything can happen. But that theory is something I’ve heard many times recently. And yeah, like a really interesting example of that is a friend of mine several months ago was telling me about an episode of Oprah that Will I Am was on, you know, will I am. Yeah. So he’s like huge into meditation and stuff and she was, I don’t even remember what the question was, but there’s a lot of people, it’s just the theory that time is not linear. That’s why there’s like weird, there’s weird coincidences from the past connecting the future. There are a lot of weird things sometimes. You’d have to dive into that to like fully be able to believe it. You know, it’s easy for me to just say that. It’s hard to believe until I have proven examples. I wish I had some, but we’ll, I am talking about how he meditated. But he meditates affirmations to his future self and his past self and as he explained it, in such an interesting fashion, but what he was saying was time is not linear. So I know that my old self before his music, music career took off and before he even knew that he wanted a music career is sitting there struggling, confused, like really struggling and I know that he’s there, he’s still there because time is not linear. I’m just here right now and there’s another version of me in the future who’s an old man looking back and he has his own problems. So he was like, so when I pray and I meditate, I’m praying to my past self that he can figure it out so that I can have the opportunity to be here where I am and so that this older man can be there living well, but figuring out his own stuff. And it’s such a bizarre concept, but I mean it’s really out there. That’s when it gets really out there. But it’s crazy. You know, we all live in this world where nobody knows what’s going on. So why and how can you just shut out the possibility of things being crazy?

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. Yeah. So one of the experiences that I had that kind of added to this idea that I have is in the training we did this thing called time techniques. And basically one of the first questions is, so we’ll go onto like, what is an emotion that you want to get rid of? Anger. Okay. So then we say we speak directly to the unconscious mind and say, when was the first time you experienced this emotion of anger? Was it during or after birth? And so whoever you’re speaking to, well, like whatever pops up is the answer, whatever your subconscious mind is. Mine’s answer is that is what the answer is. So one of the girls, she was like, Oh, I think it’s like some age, maybe between here and here. And then the trainer was like, it wasn’t a solid answer. And so she kind of went along with it and then the girl was like, no, no, no. It was before that. It was at conception, it was at conception. And then she was talking about these experiences and she was like afterwards when she was like back in the room she said at conception, she, her anger was at conception because she knew later in life she was going to have another experience, a specific experience that made her angry. So at conception, this is when she experienced anger, but it was because of a future event. It’s, I know, it’s so bizarre. It’s like really hard to understand. But after that I was like, this kind of ads into this thought and this theory that I’ve been working on for a little while. So very interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Time techniques is really weird. Like

Sean Grabowski:

It’s really, that’s when it gets really out there. You know? I just can’t wait. Even if we don’t know any of it still, there’s going to be a point like 20-30 years where we know somewhat of some really crazy shit that right now we would look at and be like, that is the nuttiest thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life and we’re gonna realize that there’s a lot. Things are connected, you know, in some kind of a way, but we’re going to be able to explain them a little bit. People’s minds are just going to be blown

Brooke Alexander:

And it still wouldn’t even be all of it. There will still be more. It’s not like we’re ever going to find the answer to any of this stuff. I don’t think we’ll ever find the answer. There’s always going to be more cause we’ll get to that next level and be like, Whoa, now we see so much more. What’s the answer to this? It’s going to just keep going

Sean Grabowski:

For sure. My thought is that you only know it all once you die. That’s when you find out. That’s literally like I, that’s where I’m a spiritual person, but I’m not necessarily a religious person, I think that when you die, you see the bigger picture, like you like are finally there and you’re like, Whoa.

Brooke Alexander:

But then maybe there’s a next level once you die and it’s like maybe death isn’t the end. There’s a whole nother level and then what happens then no one knows. It’s crazy. Yeah.

Sean Grabowski:

Cool. Well, I think that’s an awesome note to end on, like full down this crazy, crazy path. That was a good one.

Brooke Alexander:

Yeah. Cool.