Jordan Candlish On Morning Routines, Spiritual Resilience And The Benefits Of Meditative Practice

Written By Sean Grabowski

A passionate ambassador, educator and student of mindfulness and meditation. Advocate for unique experiences and life long learning.

September 13, 2019

Jordan Candlish is a mindfulness ambassador, life success & fulfillment coach and honestly just a really interesting guy to have a conversation with. I met Jordan at Mindset Braingym, one of Canada’s premier meditation studios where he works to teach corporations, individuals and groups the science and the practice of meditation. As the scientific benefits of meditation continue to rise to the surface more and more, the need for, and benefit of this sort of practice is sliding further into the realm of the mainstream. Although originally from Perth, Australia, Jordan has made a name for himself among the mindfulness and mediation communities of Toronto Ontario through the wide range of events, speeches, and gatherings he is a part of organizing. Originally working as a corporate accountant for global management consultancy Deloitte, Jordan has since parted ways with the rigidity of the corporate ecosystem in search of something a little more fulfilling. Of course, this is a personal choice, and each and every one of us defines it differently. In his coaching business, Jordan helps young professionals find purpose and meaning in order to bring fulfillment into their own lives. Whether this means changing careers or starting a new initiative at work, he helps them find out what that truly means to them. In this episode, Jordan and I discuss the importance of a great morning routine along with the benefits we both have experienced in doing so. We also explain some of the science behind why meditation is good for the human mind. Dive in and learn how spiritual resiliency can help you create the life of your dreams.

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Read the transcript of my podcast with Jordan below:

Sean Grabowski:

Hello everyone. Thanks for tuning into this new episode of the mindful steward podcast. So I just finished recording a new episode with my friend Jordan Candlish. I recently met him at mindset brain gym, which is a new meditation studio here in Toronto. They’re doing some really cool things, probably one of the leading basically industry leaders in Canada as far as meditation goes. I would definitely recommend checking them out if you are in the GTA. But he is a coach. He has a podcast of a zone and quite a great Instagram profile where he shares a lot of different insights. You can follow him there or on LinkedIn. I think he’s probably on every platform. But despite the fact that he is Australian, he has become quite a large mindfulness ambassador here in the GTA and Toronto. So he runs a lot of retreats. He’s very involved with planning corporate meditation gigs for the meditation studio and just overall he’s quite well read and you know, has a lot of good insight into how to live a healthy lifestyle in terms of both mind and body. So I’ve been wanting to record an episode with him quite a lot for quite a long time. I think him and I are on very similar wavelengths in terms of the kinds of content we like to put out there and the things that we like to learn about and dive into as topics. And I’m honestly really happy about how the episode turned out. I think it’s a pretty great privilege to be able to have these conversations with other men as kind of the masculine realm becomes more and more open to discussing these topics. So before I talk for too long here, I’m just going to remind everyone I have some really awesome guided meditations I’m about to send out to my newsletter or sorry, to my list of everyone who is subscribing. So I recorded those professionally with Michelle Pound. She’s a meditation coach who I’ve had a previous episode with as well. If you are someone who likes meditation or guided meditations, those are going to be top notch. So feel free to subscribe to get your hands on those as soon as I send them out. All right. Without further ado, I will get this episode started. Thank you for tuning in.

Sean Grabowski:

For me that is one that comes and goes in waves. Like sometimes I’m so productive and I can just bang out so many things for a few months. And then it’s also priorities. Like sometimes my priorities change and they come and go. This isn’t really my job. So that is a huge factor. You sometimes things in my professional life or.

Jordan Candlish:

it’s going to take a pretty sense isn’t it?

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. Or my, my personal life kind of they beat out creative projects essentially, which like obviously makes perfect sense. Totally man. Yeah.

Jordan Candlish:

It’s cool to have this little song and this side hustle. It’s a passion project man. Oh yeah. Cool.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah man, this is like honestly, as much as it’s just been a fun project for me up until recently where I’m, I guess now I’m kind of getting freelance leads through it, like, like bleeds benefits or the benefits of this side project are very apparent to my life. He stays. So it’s becoming more of that kind of a, I think that’s contributing to my life. But yeah, like just practicing conversations I feel like has helped me so much. When I first got to that job that I’m at right now, I wasn’t doing the podcast thing and I would end up in conversations with, you know, I don’t have like a super intense job, but I’m a marketing manager for, I’ve got an agency managing clients and their accounts. So I would go in there and I’d be dealing with like 50 year old marketing executives in insurance companies like big dogs who are making big money and they walk in, they’re wearing like a sick suit and I’m wearing a plaid button up. But, and I didn’t know like how to converse with them super well and this is like helped me so much.

Jordan Candlish:

Likewise. Yeah, likewise. Just questions, how to ask good questions. Yeah, exact same man. So podcasting is definitely, it’s, I would say anyone, everyone should do it. Theres no reason not to, get on the podcasting game. It gives you an interviewing skills is like every single time you meet someone your thank you, you can interview them, get knowledge from this is one question along, lock the answers you need. Like.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. So having good conversations that really connect you with people. It’s like a skill. It’s a huge skill and it will help you in every area of your life.

Jordan Candlish:

That’s it. Yeah. So right now we’re going to get a tremendous amount of value out of this because I can understand you learn from you. You get to learn from me and my journey. It’s like it makes sense man. Doors open up when you just saw having these conversations with people.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. Big time man. Yeah. Respective. Cool. Well I’m might go a little closer to the mic if you want. [inaudible] How’s that? Is that good? Oh yeah, that’s perfect. Sick. All right, so I guess I’ll introduce you now. I’m going to probably keep that whole part in there. I like to just keep it flowing. But yeah, I mean I met you just a couple months ago. I can’t remember what class I was getting out of, but I think it was a whim, Hoff breathwork class at mindset brain gym, which if anybody who listens, who’s listening to this hasn’t really checked it out. That place is awesome. I really enjoyed it. Lot of cool classes, but I came out of there and I wasn’t really talking to you, but I heard you kind of in a discussion with another guy and you brought up microdosing and I was like, that’s when I kind of interjected. I was like, great, I can get in on the conversation. Yeah. I’m like, that is such a fascinating topic to me. And I’m obviously like I do microdose and it has made me so much sharper in a lot of different, you know, scenarios. So I love that conversation. I think that’s the next wave of, you know, how marijuana just became legal in Canada and that is the next wave. But yeah, and then, I mean, I haven’t really had a chance to actually connect with you until just recently, but I think we have a lot of different topics. Like that we are very, you know, contemplate of guys and a lot of things in common in that area. So there’s a lot of things that, we could probably, I bet we could record, we could have recorded a podcast like just outside when we’re kind of chatting and catching up and we could probably do like hours of this. But yeah, I think there’s a few things that you have a lot to talk about and they kind of define what you’re doing for work right now and you know, what you’re doing here in Canada as an Australian and, Yeah. So I guess I’ll let you kind of introduce yourself and however you want to describe what you’re up to now, but definitely your story. If you want to talk about that and kind of fill us all in, I’m kind of how you ended up where you are today.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah, for sure. Man, thanks so much for having me on your podcast. It’s an absolute privilege and an honor. So, yeah, again, very grateful. This is awesome to be in your space and sharing a great conversation. So thank you. But yeah, my story basically began probably about three years ago. I’d just come back from my last semester, which I studied abroad here in Canada, which is sort of how I’ve wound up back here. I finished my business degree here in Canada and I met my girlfriend at the time. So I studied accounting and finance at school and after I completed my last semester abroad here, I had my graduate job already set up. So I basically already knew I had a job and I came home and you know, basically went straight into full time work coming off the back of this amazing experience traveling through North America and just meeting amazing people. Then went into my first year, I was a tech graduate tax accountant at Deloitte, one of the largest financial service firms in the world. And it was not long into that kind of period of starting full time work where I started to question things, I just felt very disconnected from the work that I was doing and what my passions were outside of work. And for me it was just this nagging feeling of like emptiness and just feeling like I had more to give. At the end of my day, I would come home just really drained and empty and I was like, this can’t be it man. Like I have some, there’s more in me that needs to come out. Like this isn’t, there’s something not right here. And I remember speaking, looking around at the people around me and thinking, is anyone else feeling like this as well? Like chatting to the grads in my group and people were feeling the same that I was the one that just, I couldn’t accept it. And that was one day I remember that like something just like instead of complaining about it instead of just like settling this like mediocre life, I was like, I got to figure out how to find happiness and fulfillment because I could not like picture my life staying like that. You know, I looked at the partners and the people above me and I didn’t look at it. They didn’t look that happy. It was pretty stressed out. They were working crazy hours. So I, that’s where I began. I started listening to podcasts. Now I started the Tim Ferriss podcast and literally just went back to fucking number one and went all the way through his podcasts leads and more. And as you know, Tim Ferriss brings on lots of different guests, high performance from why different range of fields. And I began just like dissecting and applying all the different things that these people were saying because they were successful. They seem to be fulfilled. And I admire the impact that we’re having. So while I was working and doing these mundane jobs, I was one headphone in fucking podcasts, three podcasts a day, and just applying this stuff again, waking up early, began to meditating, began doing yoga, began journaling, started a website and a blog where I started sharing everything I was going through. And as, as things progressed, my energy started to change. As these new habits came into my life, I started to become a different person, right? And it was really when I discovered Eckhart Tolle and a lot of these Wayne Dyer and a lot of these spiritual leaders were, and I realized that nothing external from me had to change for me to be able to cultivate happiness, fulfillment and joy in the present moment. And you know, I connected with the present moment. I started to generate these elevated emotional States, you know, through spending time in nature, becoming grateful for things. I did have trading expectation for appreciation. I was in a totally different energy state man and I would show up to work, just happy, just, just happy to be there, happy to be alive. And people started picking up on that and my life really just like completely shifted. And because I was living by this stuff, like I was just listening to Eckhart Tolle on the way to work and just felt so peaceful and just like I had a very joyful place because I was connected with my heart. And then he almost was almost there for two years and I knew the time was right because I already knew I was just like content. And happy and I knew I wanted to take that leap of faith and get out of my comfort zone and follow this passion that I had for just sharing this with the world, man, sharing, helping people connect with that place, that authentic place within them where they are, then you can create a life based upon that and so many people were disconnected from that. And that’s my mission is to help people rediscover that true authentic place in your heart that is waiting to be found. And then you create your dream life from that. It’s not created from the head thinking you need to fucking earn money to keep other people happy or to acquire something. And then it’s brought me back out to Canada and that’s sort of where I’ve worked here for almost two years at a healing clinic for the first 12 months where I was learning about different healing modalities. Frequency, technology and cool. How people can self heal. And that was for the first 12 months. And then the, then obviously I went across the mindset brain gym where I helped them out with a corporate stuff and I teach meditation there and it’s just been a wild journey man. Now I coach and help people on the side as well who are looking to find that lack of, I just said find that calling, find that spark and unlock the greatness within them. So that’s sort of the, the long, long slash short story today to get me here.

Sean Grabowski:

Perfect. Oh man, you worded that so well. Yeah. That’s funny that you got into Tim Ferriss and Eckhart Tolle. Yeah. Were those the first two Creators that you got into?

Jordan Candlish:

Oh man there were so many like Tim was definitely the first podcast that I sunk my teeth into. And then through like Lewis Howes, who also brings on a lot of guests I love, I loved just hearing about the way other successful people live their life and applying the things that they said they did. And over time I really just like Gathered all these different practices and tools and I just noticed the correlations, like they all meditated, they all got up early, they all had like a solid morning routine. They all ate healthy food. Like I started biohacking, so I was reading Dave Asprey and the Bulletproof diet and you know, the Bulletproof podcast I, that was another one I went all in on and really by a half my body so that I was like optimizing my energy. So like optimizing my sleep up the ways it minds in the way I exercised the fruit. Like I started eating ketones, so high fat foods where I was like, my mind started thriving because I was doing intermittent fasting and having Bulletproof coffee in the mornings. I was just like, shit, lighting up with energy and I just had so much to give because of that. And yeah, it all just combined and yeah.

Sean Grabowski:

That’s awesome man. Well I was going to say like, it’s so true that it all starts in nutrition. You know, I do have a lot of friends who, it’s kind of interesting when you start creating this content, people do come to you with questions a lot more. Yeah. That’s a phenomenon that’s been happening to me quite a bit more ever since I created this podcast. So maybe about a year now. Yeah, but that’s always the first step. It’s just so obvious like your mindset. We’re all just, you know, our bodies are totally fueled by what we’re putting in it. But yeah. To go back to like the Tim Ferriss stuff that you were talking about or just kind of the content creators, you were crushing basically. It’s so interesting with those kinds of people because I got really into that too. For me it was Eckert Tolle. The power of now, I read that book really randomly. I just kind of came across it. It was a highly rated book. I read it and that really opened my mind. And that was right at the point when I had just finished university and I was in the middle of a bank job. Kind of similar to your story.

Jordan Candlish:

Did someone gift it to you or did you just feel, feel an inclination to pick it up?

Sean Grabowski:

Totally an inclination. I think we’ll realistic, you know…

Jordan Candlish:

In a book store like would you just like pick it up?

Sean Grabowski:

No, no actually my aunt bought me a Cobo and she gave me a gift card with it to buy a couple books too. And I was just cruising the bookstore and I’m sure it had something to do with the fact that I hated my job, you know? So I would wake up every day and be, been stoked about what I was about to do.

Sean Grabowski:

So one day, one evening, I’m just cruising through books and this book about finding more purpose and understanding and you know, just connecting to that, those kinds of meanings and your life pops up and obviously they caught my attention for a reason. That was kind of my intro to all of this content. But those people on Tim Ferris, like they are crushing it. You know, they are like CEOs and big dogs, but they are totally fulfilled. You know, there’s, it’s like something different about them from the typical definition of success. Yeah. Like success. We were having this discussion outside. But yeah, I mean there’s so many different angles you can kind of look at it from. But I had a pretty similar journey to you. I’ve talked about on so many other episodes that I’m not gonna like dive into the whole thing. I’ll just fill you in after. But like for me it’s a little bit different where I think I, basically I grew up doing quite well as a snowboarder in high school. I grew up right beside a ski Hill was totally engulfed in that world of like competing. And in that world you meet a lot of people who are already kind of alternative thinkers. There are people who don’t really listen to the status quo of what society kind of tells you what to do. And then I went to university and then I got a bank job. So I kind of did it the other way around where I was living in this world where it’s just people following their passion, following their purpose every day. Every ounce of energy in their mind goes towards that, you know? And I was totally like that. I couldn’t even describe how obsessed I was and then I want to do a bank job and I kind of realized very quick like, this is not going to work for me. You know, I’ve already experienced this like really cool form of connection where I’m, my life revolves around something that I absolutely love and I kind of realized like, I need that I need to create a life where that’s what it’s all about, even though it’s not going to be snowboarding anymore. I did tear my ACL and it kind of, the whole snowboarding thing changed. Yeah. But yeah. Mmm. Yeah. That was really my, for me it was that approach and this is, I feel like this is something that I’ve described for a while just based on your reaction. I told you outside, this is like something I want to share on the podcast, but yeah. So after that time I took a few years for myself to really just have fun and travel and kind of experiment with writing and just doing my own thing. And then I had a quite a slow start to my career. I think I’ve made up for lost time quite well, but Mmm. You know, a lot of people see me as though I kind of spent most of my twenties just having fun. Yeah. And especially my parents and my parents are super loving, but as any parent would, you know, they want the best for you, so they would, they’re always going to wish that you might even more or whatnot. But oftentimes, you know, like I’m a 28 year old guy, so a lot of my friends who went right into their career right after university stuck with it. They’re doing quite well. They have homes, they have some of them have a lot of things going on. And I catch my parents kind of comparing me to them once in awhile. I think they’ve stopped really since they see what I’m doing nowadays. But yeah, and my response has always been that, you know, sure I like took a few years for myself, but the way I look at it, I’ve just dodged a midlife crisis because I’ve guaranteed that I’m going in the right path right from the start and I’ve guaranteed that I have the right way of looking at all of these, these aspects of my life so that I’m always going to be content with them. You know? And I think that’s just a huge thing for me is like you mentioned nonconformity earlier when we were chatting and I think that’s a huge thing is yeah, especially in Toronto where, where we live right now. Like there’s a lot of just the flow of how people live their life. It’s like you finish school, you got a job, you do this, you do that.

Jordan Candlish:

I’ve noticed that firsthand coming out here as someone who’s not from Canada, you know, come out to Toronto and, clearly the path here, everyone, you know, you could, you could rewind everything back to values. Like, what do you value in life and that really dictates the type of life you have and that really determines your metrics of success out here. Everyone values education. So everyone goes to school and I and I now it’s like, it’s just normal. I was like, Oh I’ve got a degree in this and this and this and then everyone’s just working at bars. I’m not actually doing anything with it. So it’s like, okay, so like why, like why are you going to school to get an education? Like are you just doing it because that’s what you’ve been told. That’s what it seems like parents. Just that the parents value education so the kids think they have to go to school cause it’s just better even question it. And like to me like to me that doesn’t make any sense to me because like why would you go to school and spend all this money on something that you don’t even use? Like, shouldn’t you, like, shouldn’t you value figuring out what makes you unique so that when you do go out and start doing like going to school or start learning a skill, do you know why you’re doing it? Most people don’t even know why they’re doing stuff, man. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? Like go to work. Yeah. They don’t even know like what makes them happy. They think it’s money that makes it happy. It’s not money. Yeah. Oh yes. The feeling that you get when you buy something or it’s the feeling that you get when you are on a holiday, but like you don’t actually need the holiday or the fucking car or something to feel those feelings. You actually have access to them all the time. I close my eyes and do my meditation practice and I cultivate those feelings. So I cultivate the feelings of gratitude, love, joy, appreciation, and these are things that we’re all chasing, but we actually have access to them already. So the way I see life is like the minute you flip the game of life on its head and you live from the inside out. Instead of going from the outside in and thinking, I need to off in this and forget This, acquire that, become this, you can put, you realize that your happiness is within you and realizing that you can literally go anywhere and do anything because you’re tapped in, you’re tapped into your happiness, tapped into fulfillment. It was such a powerful realization for me, man. And then that was like, I ended my speech, I just did a speech a couple of weeks ago. I ended the speech with a quote and it said, “there’s no way to go and there’s nothing to do. Realizing this, we can go anywhere and do anything”. And to me that was the essence of what I realized what I was at my corporate job. I was like, right, I’ve got access to the happiness and fulfillment, joy, love. It’s in me. There’s nowhere to go. Like it’s all right here right now. This is it. There’s nothing to do. There’s nowhere to go. You’ve got it all within you. You are enlightened, enlightenment is now. There’s nothing to be achieved, nothing to do, nothing to get you realize that you go, wow, now I can fucking do anything.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh man.

Jordan Candlish:

You know what I mean?

Sean Grabowski:

I love that. Yeah, that makes me think of something. I was a, I have a lot of friends who live in Vancouver probably because of growing up in the snowboard kind of world. A lot of people end up out there in the mountains. Yeah. But I was out there visiting them and no being out there just for me in all honesty, I was going to move to Vancouver before I moved to Toronto and I don’t regret this, but I had a lot of friends at the time in Vancouver because my goal, was really to get my career established and I like to enjoy my life and you know, do things that are more connected to who I actually feel that I am. Then moving to a city just for the purpose of a career. But I did that and I don’t really regret it now, but I had a lot of friends when I was going to move to Vancouver who were kind of telling me, Hey, you know, it’s really hard to get started here. I’m moving back to Ontario to get started in Toronto. Yeah. and I, and that was something that scared me from going there and I moved here. And I think I really forgot that that was where I wanted to be. And I went out there and everyone had that mentality, that mentality that you’re kind of just describing. All my friends out there, you know, they are living their lives. They’re like so passionate about every minute they get home from work, they’re all stoked to go mountain biking with their dog. And then they’re all stoked because they’re going surfing the next weekend and camping. And that’s what their life revolves around. And I felt so much more at home there than I do here. In all honesty, I still want to be out there. I’m kind of scheming my escape. I don’t, I don’t know. Like, I do love Toronto and I’m, I’m not going to leave on a whim. I’m going to absorb it all. But they, they kind of had that mentality as well. And I remember my one buddy who I was staying with just saying, why is that? What, where is everyone rushing to? Oh, he literally said that and I just kind of there and pondered. I was like, where am I rushing to man?

Jordan Candlish:

It’s the lesson, dude. I haven’t moved out so I’m going to first go here. These are the lessons that I’m like really trying to figure out and learn and while I’ve been hearing in Toronto is this like mentality of like this everything so fast paced, everything needs to get done quickly. Everyone’s like, get to the next thing, do the next thing. You get swept up in it and you missed. Yeah. We, you miss the essence of like life, which is just to appreciate this moment. There isn’t like, there’s no future moment that’s going to give you any more fulfillment than what you already have. You know what I mean? Yet, but we rushing around. And when you do that, which I’m noticing myself is you miss, you miss these beautiful things and the simplest stuff like a tree are you seeing in the park and just like slowing down. I was, I found it really difficult to just sit down and have a read because it’s like I can’t remember the last fucking time and read a book. Like I think I don’t have the time to read a book, but like in reality like if you don’t have time to sit down and read for 10 minutes, like you don’t have a life.

Sean Grabowski:

Seriously. Yeah dude, you saw that bookshelf or it’s like right beside you. I’ve read all those books probably in the last four years. I’ve been in Toronto for 14 months. I’ve read half a book since I moved here. I crush audio books cause I’m zipping around.

Jordan Candlish:

Same dude.

Sean Grabowski:

But if it’s not the same like you don’t detach and really slow down and absorb it and take it in.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah, yeah. Damn relo. Yeah, it’s, it’s whack. It’s whack. Paint the city feeling that. Cause I, I just went through books like crazy back in Australia cause everything’s slowed down. There’s more nature I was more connected to. Yeah. It’s just that inner stillness that I didn’t feel like I was rushing. That was my rush. Everyone’s kind of, it’s a collective energy as well, you know, when you’re in a big city ever on.

Sean Grabowski:

Yes. Swept up in that. So.

Jordan Candlish:

Absolutely. And it’s good at times, you know.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. But you know what, I’m just kind of thinking about this right now, but I think if you can cultivate that mindset and that kind of presence through mindfulness and the work that you’re doing here, which I have similar routines to that too. You know, I wake up and meditate every day. Mmm. Those things have been massive for me. Like I will ask you about your routine and stuff. I want to save that for a bit later. But yeah, like if you can do that here, you can do that anywhere. I think [inaudible] which is almost like a good lesson, it’s like this is like your mastery being a craft. You’re here where it’s actually hard.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah bro it’s a lot like a spiritual warrior in there, like hate of the storm in the eye of the storm. Can you maintain that connectedness? Can you still say grounded incented? And this is the eye of the storm. Like there’s distractions everywhere. Like you having your attention being pulled around everywhere. The ones who can master the OD, like staying true to themselves and in a city that’s full of distractions, you’re trying to be pulled in different directions. That’s a spiritual warrior in my opinion. It’s a Daily daily practice. It’s daily practice. And then I, I believe it takes advanced advanced spiritual practices, whereas back home I was just like, fuck yoga on the beach, connected home suite, back up in alignment here. It’s like, you know, I’m like doing fucking breath work. I’m doing all kinds of different stuff to just find ways of just like switching off of mind. Yeah.

Sean Grabowski:

And I mean, that’s a thing. It’s not only that you have more escapes there, it’s like you only have so much brain power in a given day. Mm. I think you can cultivate more. There were a lot of different ways through like elevating your energy through diet and biohacking. That’s obviously completely real, but okay. Like you don’t want to, how do I word this? Don’t want to… I mean it’s just hard to kind of step your sub step aside and like pull yourself together to kind of counteract eight hours of intensity with a little hour of relaxation. Yeah, right, right. It’s quite an art form and it’s in itself.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah. If you, if everyone’s driven to like it’s create, everyone’s creating things here, which is dope, which is why I love the vibe of Toronto. I love the vibe of big cities. It’s like things are happening quickly. They’ve been created quickly. Businesses, ideas. Like if you have an idea, like you can find the right people to bring the ideas like pretty damn quick. So if you can start to refine that creation process where you fine tuned your energy so that you can bring an idea of up there into your physical reality super fast. Like to me that’s, yeah, that’s pretty damn cool. That’s where lights, where businesses are growing and expanding really quickly when they’re around people who have tuned their energy to the point where it’s like they’re, they’re productive, they’re effective at what they do. It gets, it gets toxic or dysfunctional when it’s like people are making a lot of money in a job they don’t enjoy. So all that money gets dumped into alcohol and you know, entertainment, drugs, you know, like just media, like, escapes. Which is also what this city’s built off. Oh, I see. I go into bars, man. This just, the news is on all the time in Australia. It’s not like that bro. We go into bars and it’s, there’s no TVs. It’s like you sit down and have beer and you have a chat. Here’s how I come to a bond. Like fucking distracted by all this. Like the music so loud, the so many TVs with the news on or like sports, all distractions. Yeah. Would keep you just brainwashed and sucked into the like the programming. So it’s like, yeah, it’s, it’s a fine balance. You can see two sides to it. Like, I love the idea of like things being created quickly and being around like minded people. But at the same time there’s a lot of people who are just unhappy and then they’re just swept up in this like collective unconsciousness that’s just being fed by media, distractions, sports, everything.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh definitely. I agree. I really love Toronto in particular. It’s the biggest city I’ve ever lived in, so I don’t really have anything to compare it to. But yeah, because people think big here. You know, I’m from a fairly small city and people don’t think big and I have a fe friends who definitely are doing some pretty cool things. I spend a lot of time with them because, I’ve just become good friends with them cause I think we’re on the same wavelength. But yeah, it’s also just that you want to keep people around you who influence you in positive ways. So those people are really good influences on my life. But coming here I felt so free. You can always like just chatting with you. Like, we’re just connecting, you’re talking about some cool projects that you’re kind of visualizing. And I have friends who are starting apps and friends who are, you know, I met a guy who, who owns this giant app as well the other day. Like this stuff isn’t everyday occurrence in this city, which is so cool. It’s awesome. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, I get that as well. And so we have the same for me from Perth Western Australia like a small city. It’s like you don’t, you know, you don’t cross paths with like people who are like, have these grandiose ideas. I guess it’s dope. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. It’s quite cool. But I mean, at the same time it’s so easy to get sucked in. Mmm. One thing that I was talking about on, I recorded a little episode just a couple of nights ago and posted it. The second solo episode I’ve ever posted just kind of felt like it. Yeah. But yeah, just about overstimulation. It’s a topic I really love. Discussing, and you know, I’m super into psychology so it’s not just the kind of practices of how you can step out of that yourself. But the psychology of what’s actually going on inside your brain physically and being overstimulated. Instead of having all this activity in your brain. I went and looked it up cause I kind of always fumbling over the direct science of it on the episode. But yeah, you know, a healthy brain has like, you obviously know this stuff super well. Like have you heard of hypofrontality? Yeah, I’ve heard that. Yeah. It’s like that’s what living in these places where you never take time to slow down and you’re very distracted by like the next kind of flashy thing. People think, Oh it’s just a lifestyle. It’s like no, that’s literally shaping your brain to be different. And I shouldn’t say these people like I’ve been there and I’m sure living here, I’m just constantly there’s a battle going on at some of my cortex, but it pull’s like all year energy to the front of your brain, which like makes you way less able to just be a rational decision maker too. Right? Like that stuff. I mean you obviously are talking about this and you’re in your work with the corporate stuff. That’s a huge reason that I think that meditation and mindfulness is going to be an enormous part of workplaces. I just, it’s already happening in New York and LA. It’s going to happen here. You’re obviously part of the movement, but I see that being like a very big thing.

Jordan Candlish:

Oh yeah. Big companies are picking up on it, man. [inaudible] There’s enough research out there now to show it like what it does to the brain. Like we, we know that the brain physically changes like neuroplasticity. The brain is physically changing when you meditate. So like to me that’s, that’s, that’s insane. Like neuroplasticity is that the whole idea that your brain is malleable, like you literally. Like you said, turn on different parts of the brain and start to like shake different areas, grow different areas like you know, meditation shows that like your, the, the cortical thickness of your hippocampus gets bigger. Like, like you said, for decision making. Like that’s okay. It baffles me to think that people are still, I’m not aware of how powerful meditation is and if you’re trying to be a high performer, if you’re trying to live better, if you’re trying to be happier, like wow, it’s something you gotta be doing it like straight up. Like in whatever form of meditation, you have some form of mindfulness where you are starting to engage that part of the brain and grow that. It’s just like, yeah, to me it’s a yes, it’s a, no pun intended, no brainer. You gotta you gotta be doing it.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. Seriously. What kind of, when you’re going into organizations and talking about these things, what are the main, like what is the science that you’re discussing with them? Yeah. So like we definitely hit on the science because they, you know, cause like these, these people want to hear, want to hear that. You’ve got to quantify everything.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah, you do. I mean a lot of it’s down to like the whole idea of like that neurons that fire together wire together, right? So as you start to meditate more, you’re going to start to fire these new pathways in the brain. Like synapses are going to be firing in new areas that you haven’t done before. So the first time you do it, it’s like, it’s going to be hard. It’s going to be really difficult to sit down and close your eyes and focus your attention on your breath or on your body or something. And as you start to do that more, you’re creating this pathway in the brain where it’s going to get easier because these synapses are firing together. And as they get stronger, you become better at meditating because that part of your brain is getting stronger. You’re like, you’re literally doing a mental bicep kill every time you bring your attention back to the moment. You know what I mean? So yeah, just grounding this stuff in a way that’s easy to understand. For the everyday person. I say everyday person meaning like a corporate nine to fiver, you know, may cause mainly men are the ones who struggle the most with like wrapping their heads around. The whole idea of meditating. If you can ground this stuff in like practicality. Instead of using loaded words, which you know, I, I still do cause I you know, I’m in the personal development space, but at the same time now it’s using the right words and the corporate space so that we can speak to these people because it’s so important that they, they start to adopt these things as well because if they start making better decisions, they start becoming more conscious, then we’re going to have more conscious businesses. We’re going to have more conscious people in higher positions making decisions are gonna impact. You know,` the economy. Right. So like I want this to be like across the board. So yeah, the science is important. And then, you know, we talk a lot about like what meditation is not the only thing you need to adopt. Right? Like I said before, it’s like diet, it’s exercise, it’s sleeping, right? It’s, it’s, you know, all these things go hand in hand. Having routines, practices, habits, and make sure that you’re at your top of your game. Like if you’re meditating but you’re not eating right, you’re not sleeping well. Like, I’m sorry, meditation isn’t going to help you. You know what I mean? Oh, it’s everything. Everything is asked to work hand in hand.

Sean Grabowski:

It’s part of a holistic approach, really.

Jordan Candlish:

Big time, big time. So that’s my, that’s really where I’m, I push it because I, that’s where I come from. I come from the corporate world and that’s my, my whole time at my job completely changed when I adopt adopted these practices and habits. Routines. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, it’s the key.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh, man. I mean, for myself personally, I do know who Emily Fletcher is. Yeah. Okay. She’s super rad. Yeah. Yeah, I listened to her on a podcast. It was on the Aubrey Marcus podcast. And then I’ve watched it cause you know, when people release a book, they do multiple podcasts in the, in the space. Yeah. So I listened to her all her episodes and it’s pretty much for repeating the same kind of thing. She obviously has like a specific message she’s trying to get across or, yeah. She I think is one of the best people I’ve come across because, you know, I’ve heard about meditation a lot and I have been meditating for a couple of years, but I think it was when I listened to her podcast when I kind of realized, Whoa, this is what happens to your brain when you do it every day, literally like makes your brain better, stronger, just like if you’re doing bicep curls for your arm. Same, just like the metaphor you used. And I started meditating every single day. Like religiously from that point. It might even have been before the Aubrey Marcus one came out, but that was about like seven months ago, six or seven months ago. And man there are a few different things that have been going on. Like I have been doing landmark, which is incredible as well. Yeah. Those courses have changed my life, but yeah I swear meditation has been in the top three things I’ve ever done for myself. We’ll start meditating every day and you know, like it’s changed the way that I’m able to approach stressful moments. I feel like everyday stress, like if I’m in my car and somebody seriously cuts me off, you know, that used to really rattle me. Now still, that happens and I might feel a little bit of annoyance, but I don’t feel like the real stress of it. Like I don’t know if this is just me becoming more content of a person, but I swear I haven’t had a big stress attack in six months. That’s amazing, man. Like, I don’t know about you, but that, that is something that I, I feel like I used to let stress get to me quite a lot. And that’s maybe what brought me to mindfulness in the first place. But yeah, that landmark not watching porn. That’s a big one for guys. That has been huge too. Those are huge things for me.

Jordan Candlish:

I cut that out awhile ago as well. Okay. Yeah. It was something that just just didn’t align with, yeah. Well I def, I feel like it’s a lot of, it’s in the mind a little bit. You know, you’re creating stories and again, I found this to be a distraction. Yeah. Well I removed a lots of distractions, like bad habits that I had. Through being exposed to a lot of television and video games, phone, social media. I just like just did decluttering, just I went through and cleaned up back when I was back home. Yeah, just stop. I stopped exposing my mind to a lot of the programming that was coming in. Like I switch off the radio and listen to the radio in the car anymore It was like, well, I’m just isn’t a podcast or silence. Yeah, I miss my car. I like actually being out here, but you know, just sometimes a nice car ride can be a great way to clear the mind instead of having the fucking radio all the time being we’re being programmed constantly.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh man, I love that you’re using that example. Yeah. Like today, I rarely do this but you know, I’m quite mindful about the way that I’m interacting with the world most times. But I do generally love to crush content. I feel like it’s this weird accomplishment every time I crush a new podcast because I’m just learning things so fast by doing that. And today I was going for a little stroll at lunch over near mindset. That’s where my office is and yeah, I caught myself just automatically plugging my headphones in and getting ready to listen to music, music or a podcast and I realized I don’t even want to be listening to it. What would be really nice is to just go for a stroll and just chill and kind of take in the sun on my face and the sounds and like look at people and I just rolled my headphones up and put them in my pocket. I never do that, but it’s really like that’s something I’ve been doing more and more lately. Same kind of thing. Like just turning off the music when I go to my go for a ride or something because it’s really just like a subconscious need in the back of my head. Just kind of poking me, telling me I need to listen to music, you know? Where does that come from?

Jordan Candlish:

What is that constant need for stimulation? Being in the side of the mind always needs to be stimulated.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah.

Jordan Candlish:

Why can’t we just like sit here?

Sean Grabowski:

It’s an addiction.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah. Yeah. It’s like, it’s like the phone, the phone always makes it worse. I noticed that in all the time. I’m always checking shit like why? It was like we need to be stimulated like I, and it’s. It’s that we can’t sit still. It’s being in a city man. It’s like the many, so many distractions has like fucked up our attention span. Oh yeah. So we just like constant still all the time always. I’m like check something, you know, listen to music. If you notice the next time you go out you are constantly being stimulated. Oh yeah. Yeah. I feel like I’ve become very sensitive to stimulation, which is making me kind of question it all in the first place right now at least.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah. Yeah.

Sean Grabowski:

Cool. so you obviously have a pretty good routine by the sounds of it.

Jordan Candlish:

It’s pretty good. Yeah. To adapt it. Obviously coming out to Toronto and living in the city, but I feel like I’ve got it back into a really solid place. Okay, cool.

Sean Grabowski:

What is your routine like what are the, what are those kinds of staples of your everyday?

Jordan Candlish:

Everyday and I do, you know, like I, I’ve Monroe Robin Sharma, he has the 5:00 AM club. He has the monger sword, Ferrari as in big books. He came out a book recently called the 5:00 AM club. It’s really like is starting to really take the world by storm. Everyone’s jumping on board with it. And I was always an early riser back in Australia. I always got up early, like it was just, again, it goes back to what the successful people would do and everyone’s seem to [inaudible] be the most effective in the mornings and that I’ve realized it’s totally dependent on the individual. It depends on who you are, like what works for you. Some people perform better late at night and that’s fine, but I like mornings because it’s. It gives me that space when no one else is awake and I can do my inner work and I, an ideal morning for me is I could 5:00 am Well, I will. First thing I do is I go out and have some water and stretch, do some yoga, just move the body. You get the blood flowing and then I’ll sit down and do some journaling. I have the awesome mindset journal that I do every single morning or I’ll do my gratitude. Yeah, yeah. I write down my mission statement, write down like what my goals are for the day. And then just whatever’s on my mind, just get, get things off my mind and then then I’m going straight into my meditation practice, which is ranges between like an hour to an hour and a half. Or I’ll do, I do Joe Dispenza’s meditations or I’ll just have a simple Vipassana practice. And I’ve been doing that for three, three, four years now. The one hour, one hour a day and, and then I’ll either get up and go to the gym, just move, like run for 10 minutes just to get the blood flowing or I’ll just jump in a cold shower and just, yeah, freshen up, clean myself and clean my mind. So I like to expose myself to some form of discomfort early in the morning. You know, if you can throw in your, your, your run, get, get discomfort, get uncomfortable and then jump in your cold shower, your two forms of discomfort where you’ve woken the body up, you work in the mind up, you’ve had your mindfulness practice. Like to me that is like the essence of a perfect start to a morning. Then I’ll jump into some sort of, some form of creative work, whether it’s prep, prepare a social media post or prepare something for my online course or do something that’s creative and I start to stimulate that part of my brain and something that I’m passionate about. You start to infuse a really awesome energy into your day. And to me that’s where basically by 9:00 AM your, you’re good to go. You’ve like ticked off a lot of the boxes that like give you that sense of purpose and fulfillment. So yeah, that’s an ideal day for me. Like up early in an Intuit.

Sean Grabowski:

Amazing.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah, man. And then I’ll, I’ll, I’ll do, I love like going to work out around lunchtime. I’ll do my weight training around lunchtime. And I mix it up and I’ll do different workouts and my exercise is such a wicked way of being in the city, a wicked way of just getting the mind through the body. You can switch off the mind, like just like intense exercise. Then I change up like high intensity training? I do like Muy Thai, I do Barry’s Bootcamp, which is like a high intensity like running. Yeah, I love that. And yeah, that’s, that’s really it man. A lot of it’s exercise movement, mindfulness do yoga as well.

Sean Grabowski:

So cool. Crazy.

Jordan Candlish:

Like I you’re sounding pretty similar I’m assuming.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. I mean I’m not killing it with the mornings quite that much. So is it like almost your bedtime right now or what?

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah, no, not yet. Usually like 10, 10:30. But that’s the, that’s the thing, man. You have to be mindful of the 5:00 AM club. It’s like if you opt later, you can’t sacrifice sleep like I’ve done. I’ve really made that mistake before in the past. Like sleep is like, it should be the foundation of everything. And sleep really starts the evening of [inaudible]. Like what are you eating before you go to bed? What are you exposing your mind to before you go to bed? Are you eating lots of sugar because it’s going to affect your sleep? Are you around bright lights? Like all these things affect the quality of your sleep, which then affects the quality of your day. So it starts the night of like getting myself into a good place where I can get a good six to six and a half hours sleep, good quality. It’s quality, not quantity is such a powerful realization and it’s like you can sleep for eight hours, but if it’s fucking shit, quality sleep, it’s, you’re going to wake up feeling tired, which is the case for most people. So sleep hacking was a really big thing for me.

Sean Grabowski:

Have you heard of a why we sleep by Mike Walker, that book?

Jordan Candlish:

I have, but I haven’t read it. Okay. Is it worth a read?

Sean Grabowski:

Oh man, it’s amazing. It’s all about the science of what’s going on in all the different parts of your body when you are sleeping and when you aren’t getting enough. And it kind of compares it all and it will seriously freak anyone out who’s not getting enough sleep. That’s what it did for me. I’ve been aware of sleeping important, but like I said, I up until I think I kind of got into meditating to relax myself before sleep. But still sleep has always, for many years it’s been like a weak point of mine. But in general, like I have a hard time laying down, turning my mind off and resting. So it’s almost like I would, I would avoid it. I would do things all night until the last minute. Cause I knew that I would go and struggle to sleep anyway. And since I really got into meditation and well when I really got fully committed to meditation and I started meditating twice a day, every single day, my sleeping problems disappeared. And that wasn’t all that long ago, you know, it was within this year. So in that time, that’s when my mornings have started improving. So it’s still a little new for me. But, oh man, it’s amazing. Like waking up. I haven’t been able to fit as much as you have in, cause I’m still kind of enjoying just the fact that I’m sleeping at night. But like being able to wake up and meditate and journal and sometimes I even watch an episode on Gaia. I don’t know if you’re on Gaia. I’m super into it.segment. Oh man they have such good content. Yeah. Mmm. And then I’ll go and make my lunch for the day and then I bike to work.

Jordan Candlish:

Oh yeah nice, I bike to work as well.

Sean Grabowski:

But, so that’s basically my routine right now. But I go to, I go to the gym at lunch, you know, I run like two or like three to four times a week. I eat very, you know, I’m, I live a very healthy lifestyle. It’s just spread out throughout the day. I’m slowly getting more and more of it chunked down into the morning cause I, yeah. I feel amazing. Like these days when I want to have proper mornings. I think that is one of the keys. Yeah. Big time pizza. Good morning routine. Absolutely. Key.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah. The key to success. Oh yeah. Big time.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. I mean, and that’s something that I’ve read for years, but I’ve never been able to put into practice, you know, first things first I had to get the sleep thing sorted out.

Jordan Candlish:

Yeah. Yeah. So any other like things you use to help with your sleep? Like what do you sleep hacking? Like what do you use?

Sean Grabowski:

So I take magnesium as well.

Jordan Candlish:

Cool, cool. I don’t know if you’ve heard of that approach, but I’ve been on the magnesium, I used to take it orally, but now I use the spray.

Sean Grabowski:

Oh really?

Jordan Candlish:

It absorbs a lot better in the skin because oral magnesium you don’t absorb most of it. So spray, you know, I think you can get one called calm your spray, you just spray it on.

Sean Grabowski:

Interesting. I’m going to have to look into that. Yeah. Well yeah, I do that. I do take Omega 3 throughout the day. Really. All the supplement thing I do is like, for my mind, I do feel calmer in my mind when I’m taking Omega 3 I buy like a pretty strong one. Yeah, I mean, I turn off, I try and get off all my screens quite early. I spend, lately I’ve been spending an hour just in my room before I go to bed meditating. I journal a little bit and then again, I just chill or I read, I’ve been finally starting to read again. 90% of that reading that I said that I’ve done like has happened in the last few months.

Jordan Candlish:

Wow.

Sean Grabowski:

And that has really helped me calm it down. Like you just have to start chilling out well before the time you’re going to go to sleep. I always used to try and find ways around that. You don’t have blue light glasses. I’ve got the flux app on my computer to like dim the blue lights. You’re still on a computer waking up your brain. Sure, it’s not shooting lights in your eyeballs, but you’re still like just keeping yourself like very, very in tune with whatever’s happening on your computer.

Jordan Candlish:

Big time. Big time.

Sean Grabowski:

Cool man. Well that’s almost 50 minutes. I think that’s a pretty sick point to end it on.

Jordan Candlish:

That flew by man. Yeah, it’s a, it’s been, again, it’s just great to be able to chat with another male who is on this path as well. Man. And I had a podcast this morning with another lad from the UK and it was like, to me it’s, it’s a sign that like as us lads assigning to talk more about this as we’re starting to gain more into interpersonal development, as we start to look at our emotions and stuff to clear away a lot of these, the, the emotional trauma that lots of people don’t acknowledge it, which is where a lot of the, you know, a lot of the dysfunction, society’s coming from unacknowledged emotional trauma. And as men we seem to master that up. Through distractions that we’ve spoken about and it’s great to see another, like you doing this kind of work, trying to better themselves, trying to go within and find out how they can be in better human. Because ultimately when we do that, we impact other people just through who we are, you know, not through what we’re doing. It’s like who we are as a person. Yeah, respect that and respect that you are sharing this content with the world. It’s, it’s really awesome.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah. Thanks man. I love that feedback. Because honestly, one of the goals that I’ve kind of realized I want to put on this podcast and this show is to be a male in this space. I personally got into this and have been more open about it, you realize there’s a lot of the strong, powerful men in this world. I don’t mean powerful. Yeah. I feel like that’s not the right word, but imagine that in the best of senses, meaningful, important people like yeah, they’re the people who are very aligned with, with their community and their connection and their purpose and there’s just not enough of this in this, the sphere of masculinity. So I think you’re doing the same thing. It’s really cool to obviously have chats with guys like you and there’s going to be a lot more of these kinds of things happening in the next few years as this stuff keeps growing, you have it all. So yeah. Thanks again for joining man.

Jordan Candlish:

Thank you man. Pleasure sharing this journey with you.

Sean Grabowski:

Yeah, I’m sure we’ll do another episode sometime for sure.

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